[ DISCUSSION/DIRECTION/POSSIBLE ACTION]
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SAME THING WITH THE OTHER NEEDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT WE NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
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I DON'T KNOW IF WAS ON THE COUNCIL IN 2020,[00:31:02]
BUT THEY DID A GOOD JOB.[00:31:04]
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>> THE INCENTIVES, WILL WE GET THAT DEEPER?
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>> I THOUGHT SO. I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT, BUT THAT'S OKAY WE'LL WAIT TILL THEN.
>> REALLY THIS NEXT SLIDE IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING BECAUSE I'M HERE TO SEE GUIDANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE TO HEAD.
PLANNING STAFF REALLY IDENTIFY THREE CHAPTERS IN THE TOWN CODE THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HOUSING AND DIVERSIFYING HOUSING TYPES.
THOSE CHAPTERS, THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS, THE COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS.
ALL OF THOSE THE LAST TIME THAT THOSE CHAPTERS WERE UPDATED, IT WAS ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO.
OBVIOUSLY GIVEN DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE HAVEN'T DONE MUCH RESEARCH YET, BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD AND WE CAN ENGAGE STAKEHOLDERS TO FOLLOW WHATEVER PROCESS YOU WOULD LIKE.
>> MATT, COULD YOU GIVE US A FEW EXAMPLES OF HOW YOU WOULD CHANGE SOME OF THOSE? WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS WHEN YOU IDENTIFIED?
>> A LOT. THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I MIGHT [OVERLAPPING] NO, THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S SEGUE ACTUALLY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN TALKING WITH PLANNING STAFF, IT'S REALLY BEEN A PET PEEVE IS OUR RESIDENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
LOOKING AT THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THOSE STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE, I THINK THERE'S A FEELING THAT WE'RE NOT ALWAYS MEETING THAT PURPOSE.
WHAT'S DEPICTED UP HERE ARE MODEL HOMES.
NOW, WHEN THE SUBDIVISION IS PLATTED, THE DEVELOPER WILL SUBMIT MODEL HOMES, WE REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF FOUR.
THEY HAVE TO MEET A MINIMUM OF THREE DESIGN ELEMENTS.
IN OUR RESIDENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS, I THINK THERE'S EIGHT OR NINE STANDARDS, AND THEY HAVE TO MEET A MINIMUM OF THREE.
THE ONES ON THE RIGHT ARE MODELS THAT WERE APPROVED IN MARANA.
THE ONES ON THE LEFT WITH MODELS THAT WERE APPROVED I THINK ALL OF THESE ARE FROM THE VALLEY.
THAT SEEMED TO BE THE BEST PLACE TO FIND EXAMPLES.
LOOKING AT SIMILAR PRICE POINT, SAME BUILDER.
I WILL SAY THAT THE MOST COMMON CRITERIA THAT ARE USED IN MARANA TO MEET THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE VERY ROOF LINE, DOING LIKE A SMALL PORCH.
THE ONE THAT I THINK IS ALWAYS USED IS YOU GET CREDIT IF YOU RECESS WINDOWS BY TWO INCHES.
NOW, I'M GUESSING YOU PROBABLY LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES, YOU PROBABLY DON'T SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT I WILL LIKELY BE THE JUDGE ON COMPARING THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT.
THERE ARE SUBTLE DIFFERENCES WITH WHAT'S BEING BUILT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, PARTICULARLY IN THE VALLEY.
PLANNING STAFF REALLY HASN'T LOOKED IN DEPTH AT WHAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE IN FOR EXAMPLE QUEEN CREEK AND MARICOPA THAT PRODUCE THOSE MODELS, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.
>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE THE FIRST PLACE TO START.
QUEEN CREEK MODEL, THE MARICOPA MODEL OF THOSE TWO BUILDERS.
LOOK VERY GOOD IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING, TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
YEAH. JUST THE SLIGHT CHANGES.
ALTHOUGH THAT OF A1 IN QUEEN CREEK IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT.
BUT THE LENNAR MODEL IS NOT SO DIFFERENT, BUT IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER.
>> I HOPE THAT HELPS ILLUSTRATE.
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>> I AGREE I THINK WE COULD USE A CHANGE THERE.
>> I JUST THROW UP A FEW MORE EXAMPLES.
AGAIN, LEFT IS THE VALLEY, RIGHT IS IN MARANA, SIMILAR PRICE POINT, SAME BUILDER.
THE ONES ON THE RIGHT MATT, ARE RESIDENTIAL SETTING STANDARDS.
>> NOW MATT, TO THAT POINT, AND TO MAKE IT CLEAR.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE HOUSING STUDY AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT LOWER END OF THE SPECTACLE.
WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT HERE FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS IS, WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED THIS IN 20 YEARS.
THE MAJORITY OF OUR HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN OVER THE NEXT YEAR ARE GOING TO FALL IN THAT MIDDLE PART.
WE STILL NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.
IT'S NOT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE UPDATES, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM SAVA AND ALL THE AND THIS IS GOING AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND BLAH.
WE STILL HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS OUR PRIMARY?
>> WELL, REMEMBER, WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY'RE MAKING A STILL BAD FOR SOMETHING WE DIDN'T DO.
>> BUT WHAT WE WOULD ALSO PLAN TO DO IS LOOK AT, ARE THERE INCENTIVES THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS, THAT IF THEY ARE DOING AN AFFORDABLE PRODUCT, THAT WE COULD GIVE THEM SOME SORT OF RELIEF IN THERE IF THEY COULD GUARANTEE.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD EXPLORE AS PART OF DOING THE RESEARCH AND BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE VARIATIONS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD ALSO HELP WITH THE AFFORDABILITY.
>> THE NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS EXAMPLES OF WHAT BUILDERS ARE DOING IN THE VALLEY THAT THEY DON'T OPERATE HERE, WHICH THESE ARE THESE OBVIOUSLY ARE DUPLEXES, AND I KNOW IF WE DID A LITTLE MORE DIGGING, WE PROBABLY WOULD FIND EXAMPLES OF TRIPLEXES AND SMALLER.
SMALLER BUILDINGS LIKE TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES.
BUT YEAH, I THINK AS JASON SAID, LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE GETTING A DIFFERENT PRODUCT BECAUSE THEY DO IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE AND WE DID THE STAFF A LITTLE BRAINSTORMING JUST TO COME UP WITH A RATIONALE FOR WHY WE THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE MAYBE TO WORK IN THIS DIRECTION.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS ARE DOING.
LOOK AT THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE INTENT AND WHAT'S BEING BUILT DON'T ALWAYS MATCH UP.
THEN LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE WOULD DIVERSIFY HOUSING STOCK IN TOWN.
PARTICULARLY THE LAST ONE, LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN COMPLEMENT THE TOWN'S HERITAGE.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE, AND IT GOES TO THAT CHERISH HERITAGE FOCUS AREA AND STRATEGIC PLAN.
>> WHY DO WE NEED TO FEEL THE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE FOR THEM TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY LOOK? TELL THEM THEY GO TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY LOOK.
THAT'S THE INCENTIVE. I DO AGREE THAT, IF WE CAN HELP THEM BUILD SOME DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAT FITS A DIFFERENT NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET, AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT.
>> BUT I'M READY FOR A DIFFERENT LOOK.
I'M NOT WILLING TO GIVE THEM A DISCOUNT.
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WELL, INCENTIVES ONCE WE GET UP TO THE. I REALLY DON'T.
WHY WOULD WE INCENTIVIZE THEM IF THEY WANT TO BUILD INTO TOWN OF MARANA? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW AND GOING BACK TO SAYING, WE'RE TRYING TO FULFILL THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPE.
WHAT'S COME DOWN FROM AROUND US AND COME DOWN FROM THE STATE.
HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND YOU NEED TO HELP US DO THAT.
BUT INCENTIVIZE THEM AND MAYBE I'LL WAIT UNTIL I HEAR.
I DON'T KNOW OR YOU'RE NOT VICE MAYOR I'M SORRY.
>> YOUR ALWAYS BE THE VICE MAYOR.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.
>> BUT MAYBE INCENTIVIZES THE WRONG TERM BECAUSE I AGREE THAT INCENTIVE REALLY IS CHANGING THE RULES SO THE TOWN GETS WHAT IT WANTS.
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>> THE COLOR IS EVEN BROWN JUST EVEN SIMPLE THINGS LIKE THAT, IS IT CHEAPER TO PAINT THEM WHITE? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL THEY KNOW THESE PRODUCTS.
THESE NATIONAL BUILDERS HAVE PRODUCTS ALL OVER.
WE JUST GOT TO TELL HIM WE WANT TO SEE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS AND HAVE THEM BRING IN THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILDING ELSEWHERE AND TELL HIM THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS, WHEN DO WE MAKE THAT BREAK? DO YOU MAKE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIG SUBDIVISION? THAT'S TO ME, GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM.
>> MR. MAYOR, WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO ON THAT IS LIKE MATT SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF NEW BLOCK STARTING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY SUBMIT MODEL PLANS FOR STAFF REVIEW IN CONFORMANCE.
ANY OF THOSE MODEL PLANS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PROCESS OR HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
I WOULD SEE THIS IS FINISH OUT THAT BLOCK.
THEN WHEN THE NEW ONE COMES IN, YOU'VE GOT TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW STANDARDS.
>> WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE THAT THING WAY. [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'LL TAKE YEARS TO CHANGE THE WAY.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A RUSH TO GET BACK HERE.
WE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT NEED YOU TO GET THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND ENGAGE THE STAKEHOLDERS AND ALL THAT, COME BACK TO YOU WITH IDEAS, SUGGESTIONS, MAKE THIS A VERY FLUID PROCESS TO THEN I'D SAY END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE DOING SOME ADOPTIONS AT THAT POINT.
MY CONCERN ON RESIDENT DESIGN STANDARD IS WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
WE DON'T WANT EVERY HOUSE TO LOOK THE SAME.
WE NEED A LITTLE VARIATION, OF COURSE, WATCHING THE PRICE, OF COURSE, WE JUST NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHEN YOU GO HERE TO HOUSE TO HOUSE.
>> VICE MAYOR, WITH LOOKING AT A REVISED OPPORTUNITY WITH A FRESH LOOK IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, OBVIOUSLY, THE CONTEXT OF TONIGHT IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE TO MAKE THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO GET THE CHARACTER THAT WE AND THE DESIRABILITY THAT NEED IN OUR COMMUNITIES GOING FORWARD AS WELL.
DEFINITELY AS WE DO THE RESEARCH AND GO FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'LL HAVE TOUCH POINTS WITH COUNCIL AT VARIOUS TIMES TO GET THE FEEDBACK AND ADDITIONAL DIRECTION TO FIND TENANT TO GET TO A POSITION OR ALL THE WAY [INAUDIBLE].
MATT, WHAT IS AFFORDABILITY, IS IT STILL A 30% OF YOUR INCOME?
>> THANK YOU. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT.
>> LESS INCOME, 30% IS LESS HAVE IT BY A HOUSE.
>> THAT NUMBER THAT I THREW OUT, I THINK IT WAS 1,300 A MONTH OR SOMETHING THAT IS.
>> WHY NOT SAY LET'S GO TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER TOWNS ARE DOING? WHY NOT THOSE TOWNS COMING DOWN HERE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME DEVELOPERS TO BE HEROIC AND BUILD SOME HOUSES FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, A SINGLE PERSON, USUALLY THE FIRST PERSON THAT BOOT GOES INTO A HOME.
YOU COULD BUILD THIS IS I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, A VILLAGE OF TINY HOMES OR A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD OF CASITAS.
THE GOVERNOR WANTS US TO PUT CASITAS IN OUR BACK YARDS SO WE CAN HANDLE THE HOUSING CRISIS.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN HOAS, BUT CERTAINLY IN RURAL AREAS IT WILL.
WE CAN JUST ASK THESE BUILDERS TO BE HEROES, AND THEN PEOPLE ALL OVER THE STATE ARE GOING TO COME HERE AND SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
PEOPLE CAN OWN THESE PROPERTIES AND BY THE WAY, THOSE TRIPLEXES AND DUPLEXES, ARE THOSE FOR OWNERSHIP FOR RENTALS?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PICTURES ARE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY [INAUDIBLE] OWNERSHIP.
>> I GOT FIVE KIDS, THREE OF THEM HAVE ADVANCED DEGREES AND GOOD JOBS.
>> WELL, THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WAS WELL DONE. APPRECIATE IT.
[ EXECUTIVE SESSIONS Pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.03, the Town Council may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, to discuss certain matters.]
>> PURSUANT TO ARS 38-431 A4 AND 7 FOR DISCUSSION OR CONSULTATION WITH TOWN'S ATTORNEY IN ORDER TO CONSIDER TOWN'S POSITION AND INSTRUCT ITS ATTORNEYS REGARDING THE TOWN'S POSITION REGARDING ONGOING NEGATIONS AND OPTIONS RELATED TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT LEASE BETWEEN THE TOWN AND PIMA COUNTY AVIATION FOR THE LEASE OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT MARANA REGIONAL AIRPORT.
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>> WELL, IT'S EITHER US OR YOU GUYS. SO GOODNIGHT EVERYONE.
I NEED A MOTION TO PROCEED AS DIRECTED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
>> FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? MOTION TO ADJOURN?
>> WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.