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[ MARANA PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOTICE AND AGENDA 11555 W. Civic Center Drive, Marana, Arizona 85653 Council Chambers, December 10, 2025, at or after 6:00 PM Thomas Schnee, Chairman Ronald Hill, Vice Chair David Bowen, Commissioner John Flint, Commissioner John McIntyre, Commissioner Joseph Parsons, Commissioner Sharon Tyson, Commissioner Pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Marana Planning Commission and to the general public that the Planning Commission will hold a meeting open to the public on December 10, 2025, at or after 6:00 PM located in the Council Chambers of the Ed Honea Marana Municipal Complex, 11555 W. Civic Center Drive, Marana, Arizona. If the Council Chambers reaches capacity, overflow seating with a live stream of the meeting will be available at the Marana Police Department Community Room. ACTION MAY BE TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. Revisions to the agenda can occur up to 24 hours prior to the meeting. Revisions to the agenda appear in italics. Marana Planning Commission Welcome to this public meeting of the Marana Planning Commission. The Commission consists of seven citizens who are appointed by the Town Council and serve without pay. For the most part, the Commission acts in an advisory capacity to the Town Council on matters related to land use planning and zoning. Citizens are encouraged to address the Commission with their concerns on agenda items during the public testimony portions of the meeting, or other issues at the Call to the Public. Meeting Times Regular Commission meetings are usually held on the last Wednesday of each month at 6:00 PM at the Marana Municipal Complex, although the date or time may change and additional meetings may be called at other times and/or places. Speaking at Meetings If you are interested in speaking to the Commission during the Call to the Public or Public Hearings, you must fill out a speaker card (located inside the Council Chambers) and deliver it to the Planning Commission Secretary prior to the convening of the meeting. All persons attending the Commission meeting, whether speaking to the Commission or not, are expected to observe the Commission rules, as well as the rules of politeness, propriety, decorum and good conduct. Any person interfering with the meeting in any way, or acting rudely or loudly will be removed from the meeting and will not be allowed to return. Accessibility To better serve the citizens of Marana and others attending our meetings, the Council Chambers are wheelchair and handicapped accessible. Persons with a disability may request a reasonable accommodation, such as a sign language interpreter, by contacting the Town Clerk at (520) 382-1999. Requests should be made as early as possible to arrange the accommodation. Agendas Copies of the Agenda are available the day of the meeting inside the Council Chambers or online at www.maranaaz.gov. This Notice and Agenda posted no later than 24 hours prior to the meeting, at the Marana Municipal Complex, 11555 W. Civic Center Drive, the Marana Operations Center, 5100 W. Ina Road, and at www.maranaaz.gov. Public Comments Please submit public comments to ldzieman@maranaaz.gov. Any submitted comments from the public will be provided to the Commission and included within the Commission packet file and a summary of the comments submitted will be reflected in the official Commission meeting minutes of that meeting. All emailed comments must be received by the Town no later than 12:00 p.m. (noon) on the day of the meeting to be included. ]
THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
>> THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> THANK YOU. MS. DISMAN ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
>> VICE CHAIR HILL. COMMISSIONER BOWEN?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.
MR. ROSMA, OPENING COMMENTS, PLEASE.
WELL, WELCOME, EVERYBODY TONIGHT.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF IF YOU DON'T WANT TO STAND THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING.
OBVIOUSLY, NOT ENOUGH CHAIRS FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE DO HAVE AN OVERFLOW.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, YOU CAN SEE ONE OF OUR STAFF IN THE BACK, AND THEY CAN HELP YOU FIND THE LOCATION FOR THE OVERFLOW.
YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO STAND IF YOU WANT.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO START OFF WITH SOMETHING THAT MAY BE COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY, BUT I'M GOING TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION NONETHELESS. THIS IS A TOPIC.
CLEARLY, IT'S DRAWN A LOT OF ATTENTION AND A LOT OF INTEREST FROM PEOPLE THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
IT'S A RARE THING THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE ACTUALLY IN OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, SO I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NICE TO HAVE AN AUDIENCE.
BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT PEOPLE CAN BE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. PASSION IS A GOOD THING, AS LONG AS IT'S CONTROLLED PASSION.
TODAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GROUND RULES ARE.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
WE'RE GOING TO DO SO RESPECTFULLY.
YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH PEOPLE, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE ASK THAT YOU DO SO WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE.
YOU CAN CONTEND WITH SOMEBODY'S POSITION, BUT WE ASK THAT YOU DO SO WITHOUT BEING CONTENTIOUS.
THE WHOLE IDEA HERE TONIGHT IS TO ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD BY THE COMMISSION AND TO DO SO WITHOUT COMMENTS FROM THE GALLERY, NO BOOING, NO HISSING, NO NAME CALLING.
YOU WOULD THINK THAT THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
TONIGHT, THAT IS THE EXPECTATION IF DOES BEGIN TO HAPPEN.
WE'LL STOP THE MEETING. YOU'LL BE ASKED TO LEAVE, AND WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THERE.
I DON'T EXPECT THAT, LOOKING AT THIS CROWD, YOU LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF HAPPY, RESPECTFUL PEOPLE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT THAT OUT THERE, CHAIRMAN SCHNEE, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL MAKE A CALL TO THE PUBLIC IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA, ANYONE.
I'LL CLOSE THE CALL TO PUBLIC.
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
>> AYE. OPPOSED. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER 29TH, 2025 MEETING MINUTES?
THE FIRST ONE IS THE MARANA TOWN CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. MR. ANGEL.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CORRECT THE FIRST SLIDE.
I AM NOT BRIAN VARNEY, I AM JASON ANGEL.
BRIAN VARNEY UNFORTUNATELY IS UNDER THE WEATHER, SO HE'S ASKED ME TO COVER THIS ITEM FOR HIM.
THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST, AND SPECIFICALLY, IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2013 THAT CREATED THE SPECIFIC PLAN,
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WHICH WE ALL KNOW AS MARANA TOWN CENTER.THE APPLICANT IS POST AND LEBSEK PLLC, REPRESENTING DESERT HERITAGE LIMITED PARTNERSHIP.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE TOWN COUNCIL TO AMEND SEVERAL ZONING CONDITIONS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY INCLUDED AS PART OF THAT ADOPTING ORDINANCE FOR THE MARANA TOWN CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN.
THE OBJECTIVE IS TO REVISE THE CONDITIONS OF THE REZONING RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.
THE MAIN REASON IS THAT SINCE THAT ADOPTION TOOK PLACE, THE TOWN ITSELF HAS INITIATED THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
THEREFORE, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE PLACED UPON THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME ARE NO LONGER APPLICABLE.
THUS, WE NEED TO MAKE THESE REVISIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
SPECIFICALLY, EXISTING CONDITIONS NUMBER 1, 03, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, AND 13, LANGUAGE HAS BEEN REVISED TO CONFORM TO CURRENT STANDARDS.
MINOR UPDATES HAVE BEEN MADE WORKING WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN CONFORMANCE WITH CURRENT ORDINANCE AND CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
EXISTING CONDITIONS 4, 14, 15, AND 16 ARE DELETED AS THEY'RE NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO THE PROJECT.
EXISTING CONDITIONS 8 AND 9 ARE UNCHANGED.
FOR EXISTING CONDITION NUMBER 2, IT REQUIRED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DEDICATE THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY FOR MAIN STREET AND TANGERINE FARMS ROAD.
PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THAT CONDITION TO OBLIGATE THE OWNER TO DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR MARANA MAIN STREET AS THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED TO THE TOWN.
THE OBLIGATION OF THE OWNER TO DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY FOR TANGERINE FARMS ROAD REMAINS, AND ADDITIONAL OBLIGATIONS INCLUDE THE DEDICATION OF RIGHT AWAY FOR SANDERS ROAD, WHICH IS A RECENT IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN MARANA ROAD WEST OF SANDERS ROAD, GRIER ROAD, AND SANDARIO ROAD.
ALL OF THOSE ROADS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT ORIGINAL CONDITION NUMBER 2, BUT THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS, THE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN REVISED TO CLARIFY THE TANGERINE FARMS ROAD SPECIFICALLY.
EXISTING CONDITION NUMBER 4 REQUIRES THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT SECTION OF TANGERINE FARMS ROAD WITHIN THE MARANA TOWN CENTER PROJECT.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES IN THIS, AND THAT IS THE TOWN HAS ELECTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF TANGERINE FARMS ROAD.
THEREFORE, THE OBLIGATION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AS THEY HAVE NOT STARTED DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE IS TO REMOVE THAT OBLIGATION FROM THEM.
THAT THEY WOULD THEN PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE THROUGH THE IMPACT FEES THAT WOULD BE APPLIED AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'D STILL BE PAYING FOR THEIR PORTION OF IT, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE DONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
CONDITION NUMBER 5 REQUIRES THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CONTRIBUTE PROPORTIONATELY TO THE COST AND DESIGN OF CONSTRUCTION OF CERTAIN TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA BASED UPON THE PROJECT'S IMPACT AS DETERMINED LARGELY BY A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO THOSE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AS FAR AS MARANA MAIN STREET AND THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THOSE AREAS.
BUT WHAT THE TOWN WILL BE TAKING OVER IS THE TANGERINE FARMS ROAD EXTENSION.
IT'S REVISING CONDITION NUMBER 5 SO THAT THEY'LL PAY THEIR NECESSARY PORTION OF THAT AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, CONDITION NUMBER 17, 18, 19, AND 20, CONDITIONS WERE ADDED TO CONFORM TO WHAT OUR CURRENT STANDARD CONDITIONS ARE FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT ARE APPLIED TO THIS.
THIS IS A DISCRETIONARY ITEM FOR THE COMMISSION.
SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, STAFF WOULD ASK THAT YOU MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TRY AND ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW MS. FALL IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FLINT?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR JASON OR FOR JANE, ON PAGE 4 OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE ON SECTION 10, PLEASE.
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ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY DOWN IN THE MIDDLE.THERE'S A SCENE IN THERE, IF ARIZONA LAW PERMITS IT, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL TRANSFER TO THE TOWN BY THE APPROPRIATE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES.
DOES THAT LAW EXIST NOW, OR IS IT ANTICIPATED TO EXIST OR WHAT'S THE STATUS THERE? BECAUSE I'M RARELY EVER BY SEEN LANGUAGE LIKE THAT.
>> CHAIRMAN SCHNEE, COMMISSIONER FLINT.
WHAT THIS REFLECTS ACTUALLY IS THAT PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST OF 2025, WE WERE ALLOWED TO TAKE GRANDFATHERED IRRIGATION RIGHTS FROM PROPERTIES AS THEY CEASED IRRIGATION USES AND WENT TO DEVELOPMENT.
THE LAW THAT WAS IN PLACE THAT ALLOWED THAT SUNSETTED AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2025.
AT THE CURRENT TIME, WE CANNOT DO THIS ANY LONGER.
JUST WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, WE WANTED TO PRESERVE THE RIGHT TO GET THOSE RIGHTS IF THE LEGISLATURE RE-ENACTS OR RE UPS THAT LAW.
>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC, AND I HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD, MR. JOHN OFFICER.
>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
I'M ONE OF 10 PEOPLE TO HAVE RESIDENTS ACROSS FROM THIS, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE STEPPING FORWARD WITH IT.
THIS HAS COST ME A LITTLE MORE MONEY THAN I WANTED TO SPEND, BECAUSE MY WIFE IS A COMPLETE OPPOSITE, SHE DOESN'T WANT IT.
I TALKED HER INTO PATENT CITRUS TREES.
WE PLANTED A COUPLE, AND THEN WE GOT OUR LETTER TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
WE GOT SIX YEARS AGO, WE GOT A LETTER THAT WERE GOING TO DO DEVELOPMENT, AND THINGS WERE GOING TO CHANGE, AND THINGS ARE SAYING, I'M JUST CALMED DOWN.
IT'S CHANGING. IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.
JUST BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH THE STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER, DEVELOPER HAS BEEN AROUND HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THE OWNER HAS BEEN AROUND HERE LONGER THAN ALMOST ANYBODY IN HIS ROOM, AND SEEING SOMETHING DONE ON THINGS THAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT YEARS AND YEARS AGO IS COMING TO FRUITION IN MARANA.
WITH ALL THE WAY THAT MARANA WORKS WITH BUSINESSES WHEN THEY COME INTO THE COMMUNITY IS THE NICE TREE FARM OVER HERE.
INSTEAD OF BUYING THE LITTLE TREES THAT TAKE 10 YEARS TO GROW, I GOT TWO MORE BIGGER ONES.
IT COMPLETELY BLOCKS OUR VIEW FROM THAT THAT WAS BOTHERING MY WIFE.
BUT I JUST APPRECIATE HOW LONG AND STEADFAST THE TOWN WORKS WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK AND HELP MARANA PROSPER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. THIS IS THE ONLY SPEAKER CARD I HAVE FOR THIS.
GO ON ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> IN A DESERT. ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
LUCKETT ROAD, NORTH SPECIFIC PLAN.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS SLIDE IS CORRECT.
I AM JASON ANGEL, SO WE'LL START THERE.
THIS IS PCZ2510-002 LUCKETT ROAD NORTH DATA CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN REZONING APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT IS LAZARUS AND SILVYN, REPRESENTING THE CHURCH OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
THE REZONING FROM R-144 TO SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE PURPOSE OF A DATA CENTER USE ACCOMPANIED BY A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE 2040 GENERAL PLAN.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 300 ACRES AND IS LOCATED ON LUCKETT ROAD, JUST SOUTH OF PINAL AIRPARK ROAD AND TO THE WEST OF INTERSTATE 10.
THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS R-144, AND THE GENERAL PLAN HAS THIS AREA DESIGNATED AS EMPLOYMENT.
THE TWO MAPS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE ON YOUR SCREEN.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE 2040 GENERAL PLAN.
EVERYTHING THAT IS SHOWN IN PURPLE THERE IS EMPLOYMENT DESIGNATION TO THE SOUTH, THE ORANGISH COLOR THAT IS TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION BY THE GENERAL PLAN.
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ON THE RIGHT, YOU HAVE THE ZONING IDENTIFIED FOR THE PROPERTY.ONCE AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED THERE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED R-144 AND IS CURRENTLY USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, FARMING.
TO THE SOUTH, THE PROPERTY IS ALSO SUBJECT TO TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, HAS A REZONING APPLICATION.
BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS APPLICATION, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO ZONED R-144 AND USED FOR AGRICULTURE.
TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S IN THAT MUSTARD COLORED, THAT IS THE E TRANSPORTATION ZONE THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT PROPERTY.
JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT ONE IS THE EXISTING VETERAN CEMETERY.
TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY, BUT IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE A NEW SOLAR ENERGY FIELD THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED OUT THERE.
BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE IN PIMA COUNTY PROSPER, IS NOT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.
TO THE NORTH IS AN EXISTING QUARRY OR MINING OPERATION IN PINAL COUNTY.
THAT PROPERTY IS ALSO AND THEN THE VACANT PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THAT IS ALSO ZONED FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
>> AS MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY OR THIS REQUEST IS FOR A DATA CENTER USE.
THE SITE IS PROPOSED TO BE USED FOR A DATA CENTER CAMPUS AND AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE TOWN RECENTLY ADOPTED A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO A DATA CENTER SPECIFIC ORDINANCE.
THAT IS SECTION 17-6-13 OF THE MARANA TOWN CODE.
SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF THAT ORDINANCE I WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO, AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT ADOPTION, ACCOMPANYING A STANDARD REZONING, WE WOULD GET THE BASIC INFORMATION, AND WE'D LOOK AT WHAT THE ZONING PERMITTED USES AND ALL THAT.
FOR A DATA CENTER SPECIFIC, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THESE ADDITIONAL LEVELS OF DETAIL AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION AS PART OF THIS REQUEST AND I'LL LET MS. SILVAN WHEN SHE PRESENTS, GO THROUGH THAT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
BUT TO HIGHLIGHT, THEY HAVE A BASELINE NOISE STUDY AND NOISE CONTOUR EXHIBIT THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE APPLICATION.
THE INTENDED SOURCE OF ELECTRICAL POWER AND AFFIRMING THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT POWER TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AN ASSESSMENT OF FUTURE ENERGY NEEDS, AN ESTIMATE OF ANNUAL WATER CONSUMPTION, INTENDED SOURCE OF WATER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, AND DOCUMENTATION FROM THE WATER PROVIDER AFFIRMING SUFFICIENT WATER RESOURCES EXIST.
THEN THE LAST ONE NUMBER 6 THERE, IF THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO COMPLY WITH ANY PART OF THE ORDINANCE, THE APPLICANT IS SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED TO CALL OUT THAT SECTION AS PART OF IT AND EXPLAIN OR JUSTIFY WHY THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT THAT IS A SUMMARY OF THE THINGS FROM THE ORDINANCE.
THE POWER PROVIDER FOR THIS PROPERTY IS TRICO ELECTRIC.
WHAT IS SHOWN IS THAT THEY HAVE A RANGE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING EVALUATED FOR THIS PROJECT, WORKING WITH TRICO, THAT WOULD BE 550-750 MEGAWATTS TO SERVE THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
MARANA WATER WILL PROVIDE WATER FOR OFFICE OPERATIONS ONLY.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, OUR ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS NO POTABLE WATER IS ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR ANY PART OF THE COOLING OPERATION.
ONCE AGAIN, MS. SILVAN WILL TOUCH ON THIS I'M SURE.
BUT THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THIS FACILITY TO BE AN AIR COOLED FACILITY, SO IT IS NOT A WATER COOLED FACILITY.
CMID WILL ALSO PROVIDE IRRIGATION, INDUSTRIAL, AND FIRE SUPPRESSION OR WATER FOR THOSE SERVICES THERE.
THEN THIS IS IN THE MARANA WASTEWATER SERVICE AREA.
COUPLE OF THINGS TO HELP IDENTIFY SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, THERE IS A ROADWAY EXTENSION THAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE EXTENSION OF LUCKETT ROAD, GOING NORTH TO PINAL AIRPARK ROAD.
THAT IS THAT BLACK DASH LINE THAT'S SHOWN HERE.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO ANY LEVEL OF ENGINEERING TO FULLY EVALUATE THE FINAL ALIGNMENT OF IT.
BUT AS YOU MAY KNOW, LUCKETT ROAD CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS JUST OUTSIDE THE ENTRANCE OF THE VETERANS CEMETERY.
THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE FOR THAT ROADWAY TO BE EXTENDED UP, CREATING A CONNECTION TO THAT INTERCHANGE THAT IS CURRENTLY AT PINAL AIRPARK ROAD.
WATER WHICH IS THE BLUE DASH LINE HERE.
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IT WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF POTABLE WATER TO SERVE THE SITE, WHICH IS AN APPROXIMATELY A THREE MILE RUN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO EXTEND THE SERVICES TO DO THAT.ONCE AGAIN, THE POTABLE WATER IS ONLY FOR THE OFFICE OPERATIONS FOR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WASTEWATER IS THE RED DASH LINE THAT GOES THERE.
A NEW FORCE MEAN AND A LIFT STATION WOULD HAVE TO ACCOMPANY THAT AND THAT EXTENSION WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES FROM OUR EXISTING LINES THAT ARE IN THIS GENERAL AREA.
LASTLY, THE THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON AND IT'S THIS NEON GREEN LINE.
THIS IS A REGIONAL DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT IS TO BE DESIGNED AND IMPROVEMENTS IS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
SPECIFICALLY, THE CONDITION REQUIRES THAT THEY WILL DO A DESIGN OF THE FULL CHANNEL.
IT'S A FIVE MILE LONG CHANNEL.
YOU RUN UP ALONG INTERSTATE 10, COME ACROSS JUST TO NORTH OF THE VETERANS CEMETERY OR SOUTH OF THE VETERAN CEMETERY SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY AND IT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH OUT TO WHERE IT DAYLIGHTS INTO THE SANTA CRUZ RIVER.
THAT IS A FIVE MILE STRETCH APPROXIMATELY.
WITHIN THAT IS ROUGHLY ABOUT A MILE OF THAT IS WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
THEY WILL DO FULL DESIGN, A DESIGN OF THE OVERALL CHANNEL THAT BRINGS IT TO APPROXIMATELY 30% DESIGN.
THAT GIVES THEM ENOUGH OF THE ENGINEERING WORK TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE WHAT IS NECESSARY SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CHANNEL SECTION THAT IS WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY TO CONFORM TO WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE THE FULL DESIGN WHEN THE CHANNEL IS ULTIMATELY CONSTRUCTED.
THAT CHANNEL CONSTRUCTION ISN'T ON THE TOWN'S CIP, THEIR SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'LL BE DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN AS FAR AS THE NEED IN THAT AREA.
BUT HAVING THE CHANNEL IN THIS LOCATION, IT ALSO HELPS THEM AS FAR AS BEING TO HANDLE THE DRAINAGE THAT IT WOULD ACCOMPANY THIS PROJECT, AND IT IS ALSO IN A FLOODPLAIN AREA, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO HELP LIFT THIS PROJECT OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
THIS IS A GENERAL SITE PLAN OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE HATCHED AREA IN THE MIDDLE HERE SHOWS BASICALLY WHAT IS THE DEVELOPABLE AREA WHEN YOU APPLY ALL OF THE BUFFERS AND THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED BY THE CODE.
THEY ALSO HAVE DRAINAGE AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN AROUND THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING AND OTHER BUFFERS.
THIS IS THE EXISTING OR THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR A SUBSTATION.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING UNTIL THEY GET FURTHER INTO ENGINEERING THAT'S SUBJECT TO A LITTLE WAGGLE, I GUESS, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE ENGINEERING ULTIMATELY COMES BACK AT.
WITH THAT, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A DISCRETIONARY ITEM.
SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEEL THE DESIRE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, STAFF I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO SO SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW CARRIE SILVAN, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND THEIR TEAM ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO RUN THROUGH, SO IF IT PLEASES YOU?
>> CHAIR SCHNEE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. GOOD EVENING.
I THINK MR. ANGEL DECIDED TO GET THIS READY FOR ME, SO YOU ALL DIDN'T HAVE TO WATCH ME TRY AND DO THIS MYSELF.
I THINK I DID NOT DO A VERY GOOD JOB THE LAST TIME.
WITH YOUR INDULGENCE AS YOU KNOW, THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT ITEM, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
I HAVE COMBINED INTO ONE PRESENTATION.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT BOTH, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
BY THE WAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IF YOU SAY NO, BECAUSE IT'S ALL?
>> THAT WAY, WHEN YOU GET TO THE SECOND HEARING, IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO PULL UP SLIDES AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS, BUT WE CAN COVER IT ALL AT ONE TIME.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO FIRST IS, AS I ALWAYS DO, INTRODUCE THE TEAM THAT'S WITH US TODAY SO THAT IF YOU ASK A QUESTION THAT IS HARDER THAN I'M CAPABLE OF ANSWERING, SOME OF THESE FOLKS MAY COME UP AND TAKE THE MICROPHONE.
WITH MY FIRM, LAZARUS & SILVAN, ROBIN LARGE, JACKSON CASSIDY, AND RORY JUNEMAN ARE HERE.
WITH BEALE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHO I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A MINUTE.
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I HAVE ARNO DOCER AND NICK TORRANCE.THEN KIMLEY HORN, OUR ENGINEERS, AND THEY'RE HERE, AND IT'S DEFINITELY A GOOD THING.
IF YOU ASK ME AN ENGINEERING QUESTION THAT THEY'RE HERE.
WE HAVE MIA PARLA, CHRIS LEONE, JOSEPH CAFARI, AND TAD HARDY, WHO ARE ALL HERE. THANK YOU AGAIN.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TWO ELECTRIC UTILITIES AS WELL AS CMID.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY FIELD A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
THE BOTTOM LINE AS WE MEET YOUR ORDINANCE AND I'LL STEP YOU THROUGH THAT.
BUT IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY'RE HERE AS WELL.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO FIRST IS INTRODUCE BEALE AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DATA CENTERS AND WHY SOUTHERN ARIZONA AND THE TOWN OF MARANA.
THEN OUR JOB, I THINK TONIGHT, IS TO DEMONSTRATE FOR YOU ALL THAT WE MEET THE TOWN ORDINANCE.
AS MR. ANGEL SAID, WE KNEW WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY JUSTIFY WHERE WE WEREN'T MEETING THE ORDINANCE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH EASIER PRESENTATION TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE ARE 100% MEETING THE ORDINANCE, AND I'LL STEP YOU THROUGH THAT.
WITH THAT, LET ME INTRODUCE BEALE INFRASTRUCTURE.
BEALE PARTNERS WITH THE WORLD'S LEADING TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES TO DEVELOP DATA CENTERS AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORT NATIONAL ECONOMIC GROWTH.
IT'S A WELL CAPITALIZED COMPANY WITH A PROJECT TEAM OF INDUSTRY VETERANS WITH DEEP EXPERIENCE IN DELIVERING INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
BEALE WORKS CLOSELY WITH COMMUNITIES AND HAS BEEN WITH THE TOWN OF MARANA TO UNDERSTAND THE LOCAL RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS AND DEVELOP A RESPONSIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE ROADMAP FOR FUTURE GROWTH.
BEALE WAS FOUNDED ON THE VALUES AND COMMITMENTS AS NOTED IN THE SLIDE, THE PRIORITY IS OUR COMMITMENTS TO SUSTAINABILITY, COMMUNITY, INVESTMENT, AND HEALTH AND SAFETY.
WHAT IS A DATA CENTER? THE DATA CENTER IS REALLY THE PHYSICAL BACKBONE OF THE INTERNET.
IT DRIVES OUR MODERN ECONOMY AND HAVE BECOME ESSENTIAL TO OUR DAILY LIVES.
EVERY TIME WE ARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, FOR THOSE OF US ON SOCIAL MEDIA, CHECKING MEDICAL RECORDS, DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS, DOING ANYTHING HONESTLY ONLINE WITH BANKS, THAT ALL IS RUNNING THROUGH OUR DATA CENTERS.
MY HUSBAND WANTED ME TO ADD BY CONCERT TICKETS BECAUSE HE AND MY CHILDREN SEEM TO BE DOING A LOT OF THAT.
THAT ALL GOES THROUGH DATA CENTERS.
THEY SUPPORT ALL OF THE REGIONS, MAJOR INDUSTRIES AS WELL, AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THOSE IN THIS SLIDE, ENABLING BOTH THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS AND LONG TERM INNOVATIONS IN THINGS LIKE AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE, BIOSCIENCE AND HEALTHCARE, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, FINANCIAL SERVICES, EDUCATION, RESEARCH, TOURISM, AND ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ACTUALLY HOUSE THE SERVERS TO MAKE ALL OF THIS WORK, AND WE NEED TO REALLY BE CREATING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE UNITED STATES AND NOT ON RELYING ON FOREIGN MARKETS.
WHY MARANA AND SOUTHERN ARIZONA? THESE ARE THE THREE MAIN POINTS THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE.
THE AREA THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE.
ACTUALLY, YOU SAW WITH MR. ANGEL, PRESENTATION IS SURROUNDED BY NON RESIDENTIAL AND THE AIRPARK TO THE NORTH.
WE ARE AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF NATURAL DISASTERS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE LOCATION OF DATA CENTERS.
IT'S CURRENTLY FARMLAND IN THE FAR NORTHERN AREA OF MARANA.
AS MR. ANGEL POINTED OUT, IT IS PLANNED FOR INDUSTRIAL AND EMPLOYMENT USE.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF USE THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED.
IT IS ACROSS LUCKETT FROM THE MEMORIAL CEMETERY AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE TOWN TO SPECIFICALLY CREATE THE NEW ACCESS TO THE NORTH UP TO I-10, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE TOWN HAS HAD ITS EYE ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND HASN'T REALLY BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW TO DO THAT AND WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE TOWN AND FUNDING THAT PROJECT.
I'M STILL ON STRONG WORKFORCE.
CONSTRUCTION WORKFORCE IS STRONG IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, AND CURRENTLY, A LOT OF THAT WORKFORCE HAS TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA, EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE STATE TO FIND WORK.
WORK CITED TO CREATE LOCAL JOBS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY THAT ARE GOING TO LAST A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THE COMMITMENT TO WORKFORCE TRAINING IS SOMETHING THAT BEALE HAS ALREADY STARTED ON WITH A LOT OF OUR LOCAL AND OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS IN EDUCATION THAT WORK WITH INDUSTRY TO CREATE THAT JOB TRAINING SPECIFIC TO BOTH CONSTRUCTION AND THE JOBS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED WITH THE ACTUAL DATA CENTER WHICH ARE MORE OF THE TECHNOLOGY JOBS.
POWER AVAILABILITY IS GREAT IN THIS AREA.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE LUCKETT ROAD IS GOING TO BE ONE OF
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THE MAJOR LINES FOR ELECTRICITY AND WORKING WITH BOTH TRICO AND TEP.THIS IS ANOTHER REASON THAT BEALE LIKES SOUTHERN ARIZONA.
SOME OF THESE SLIDES ARE DUPLICATIVE OF MR. ANGEL, SO I'M GOING TO NOT GO INTO DETAIL ON A FEW OF THEM.
THIS GIVES YOU, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THESE ARE COMBINED BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME MESSAGING.
YOU'LL SEE LUCKETT NORTH, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
LUCKETT SOUTH IS YOUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.
THEY'RE EACH ABOUT 300 ACRES, SO IT'S A POTENTIAL TOTAL OF 600 ACRES OF DATA CENTER USE IN THIS AREA.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT IT'S DESIGNATED FOR GROWTH AND EMPLOYMENT.
IT'S AWAY FROM EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S CLOSE TO I-10 AND THE PINAL AIRPARK PROXIMITY TO POWER.
WE DO THE REQUIRED BIOLOGICAL SURVEYS.
THEY'RE ATTACHED AS APPENDICES TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND THERE WERE FINDINGS OF NO IMPACTS TO SENSITIVE HABITAT.
WE ALSO DID THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORT THAT'S REQUIRED AND THERE WERE NO CULTURAL RESOURCES EITHER ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT I THINK MR. ANGEL DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING EVERYTHING THAT'S AROUND US.
I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT IT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S AROUND US.
WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS SLIDE.
>> WHAT THIS SLIDE DOES IS TAKES THOSE TWO CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
MR. ANGEL SHOWED YOU THE ONE FOR THE NORTH, AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE FOR THE SOUTH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY PLAY INTO EACH OTHER.
THE REQUEST TONIGHT IN BOTH OF THESE CASES IS TO REZONE TO SPECIFIC PLAN.
PER THE MARANA ORDINANCE, AND I'M GOING TO STEP YOU THROUGH COMPLIANCE WITH THAT ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE ITSELF REQUIRES A REZONING TO SPECIFIC PLAN.
CHECK, WE MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
WHAT'S ALSO IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS THE REQUEST FOR THE CONCURRENT PLAN AMENDMENT.
I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT THIS WHOLE AREA AS YOU CAN SEE IN PURPLE IS DESIGNATED FOR FUTURE EMPLOYMENT.
THE DATA CENTER THAT FITS INTO THOSE SETS OF POLICIES.
THE MAP JUST HAS TO CHANGE BECAUSE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO REZONE TO SPECIFIC PLAN, THE MAP ACTUALLY HAS TO BE MASTER PLANNED AREA.
IT'S GOING TO BE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MAP CHANGE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE POLICY, SO IT'S A MINOR CHANGE, AND WE CAN RUN IT CONCURRENTLY WITH THIS REQUEST.
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON THIS SLIDE, AND I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT IT ONE OTHER PLACE, WHICH IS THAT THIS IS AN AIR BASED COOLING TECHNOLOGY, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW, THAT IS B HEARD PEOPLE IN THE OTHER JURISDICTION ABOUT CONCERNS WITH WATER COOLING AND HAS CHANGED ALL OF THE PLANS TO AIR COOLING SYSTEMS. THAT MEANS THERE IS NO CONSUMPTIVE WATER FOR ANY OF THE INDUSTRIAL USES FOR COOLING, ESSENTIALLY.
THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE TOWN OF MARANA IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE ANY OF THAT NON POTABLE.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COREA MARANA IRRIGATION DISTRICT. I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THIS.
THE WATER USAGE TODAY FOR THE AGRICULTURAL USE ON THIS FULL 600 ACRES IS OVER 2000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
THIS AIR COOLING TECHNOLOGY WHERE WATER IS NOT USED FOR COOLING, IT RESULTS IN A NEED FOR ONLY 40 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
FOR THIS FULL 600 ACRES OF NON POTABLE WATER.
THAT'S A REDUCTION OF OVER 95%.
IF YOU DO THE ACTUAL MATH, IT'S 98%, BUT DEFINITELY OVER 95% IN WATER USE AS IT'S BEING USED TODAY.
AS MR. ANGEL MENTIONED, THE POTABLE WATER IS GOING TO BE USED SORRY, IS GOING TO BE SERVICED BY MARANA WATER.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF AN OF AN OFFICE USER.
HERE ARE THE COMPONENTS OF THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
I'M GOING TO STEP IN THE NEXT THROUGH SLIDES THROUGH EACH OF THESE AND TELL YOU AS QUICKLY AS I CAN THAT WE COMPLY, AND THEN YOU WILL SEE THE SLIDE AT THE END SO THAT WE WILL CHECK ME TO MAKE SURE THAT I ACTUALLY GOT EVERYTHING.
PERMITTED USES, IT'S A DATA CENTER USE.
THERE ARE ANCILLARY USES THAT GO WITH THE DATA CENTER THAT ARE ALSO LISTED WITHIN THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE ON THE SLIDE.
I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IT'S NOT ON THE SLIDE, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE THE EMERGENCY GENERATORS, THAT IS PERMITTED IN THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
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THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM.WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
EACH TIME WHEN I SAY WE'RE COMPLYING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE PUT IT IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
THE SPECIFIC PLAN THAT IS GOING TO GOVERN IS A MIRROR OF THAT DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
THE GENERATORS ARE FOR EMERGENCIES ONLY, AND EMERGENCY IS WHEN THERE IS NO POWER TO THE SITE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DECLARED BY THE USER.
IT'S TRULY A FAILURE IN POWER.
THEY ARE ONLY USED FOR THOSE EMERGENCIES.
THEY MUST BE DESIGNED AT TIER 4, OR BETTER, AND THAT'S FOR EMISSION STANDARDS.
AGAIN, THAT'S WRITTEN WRITTEN INTO OUR SPECIFIC PLAN.
THEY CAN ONLY BE TESTED FROM 8:00 A.M-5:00 P.M. ON WEEKDAYS, WHEN THEY ARE TESTED, WHICH IS NOT VERY FREQUENTLY, BUT THEY DO NEED TO BE TESTED.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL IN BOTH THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE AND OUR SPECIFIC PLAN.
THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS RELATIVE TO BUILDING DESIGN, SPECIFICALLY THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERNAL OF THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THAT BUILDING DESIGN AND PUT IT INTO OUR SPECIFIC PLAN.
WE HAVE NOT DESIGNED THE BUILDINGS, SO WE HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW YOU, BUT ALL OF THOSE ARCHITECTURAL FACADE NEUTRAL COLOR PALETTE HEIGHT.
ALL OF THAT IS WITHIN OUR SPECIFIC PLAN.
WHEN WE GET TO THAT LEVEL, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH THOSE AT THE BUILDING BUILDING CODE OR THE BUILDING PLAN TIME PERIOD.
WE ALSO HAVE THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACKS, BUFFERS, AND SCREENING.
I DON'T REALLY FEEL THE NEED TO READ YOU THIS SLIDE.
WE CAN COME BACK TO THESE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, BUT THESE ARE THE SPECIFICS, AND YOU PROBABLY ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THEM, ALTHOUGH THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE CAME TO YOU OVER A YEAR AGO.
SO IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT I HAD FOR BREAKFAST THIS MORNING, LET ALONE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO.
AGAIN, WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS SLIDE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN DEMONSTRATES THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
TALK ABOUT THE SOUND AND NOISE REQUIREMENTS IN THE ORDINANCE.
WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES IS THAT WE FIRST OF ALL, PROVIDE THE DATA OF THE EXISTING NOISE LEVELS AT OUR PROPERTY LINES, AND THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
IT'S IN ONE OF THE APPENDICES TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
THEN WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO CREATE A MODEL, OF ONE OF THE WAYS THIS COULD BE DEVELOPED.
GO AHEAD AND MODEL IT AND DO NOISE CONTOURS AROUND THAT MODEL.
WE HAVE DONE THAT, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE NEXT TWO SLIDES.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN THE ORDINANCE ARE THE DECIBEL LEVELS FOR DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ADJACENT USES ARE, AND THAT'S AGAIN, LISTED IN THE SLIDE.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE, EXCUSE ME, ONCE WE HAVE FINISHED CONSTRUCTION OR AS WE'RE FINISHING CONSTRUCTION.
BEFORE WE BECOME OPERATIONAL, WE WILL NEED TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY MEASURE THE NOISE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THESE DECIBEL LEVELS.
THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR NOISE MITIGATION AND OTHER THINGS IF IT DOESN'T, BUT EVERYTHING IS TELLING US THAT WE WILL BE FINE COMPLYING WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THIS IS AN AREA THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE FOR EMPLOYMENT, INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES, AND IT'S A COUPLE OF LARGE PIECES OF PROPERTY.
AGAIN, THE HEARING THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS OUR MODEL OF POTENTIAL BUILDINGS.
IT'S ONE POTENTIAL LAYOUT, AND IT DEMONSTRATES THAT WE ARE MEETING THE DECIBEL LEVELS ON ALL SIDES.
SAME THING WITH THE LUCK AT SOUTH PROJECT.
AGAIN, THIS IS IN AN APPENDIX AS WELL TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
MR. ANGEL WENT THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS IS ALL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CURRENTLY IS NOT EXTENDED INTO THIS AREA.
AS ALL OF US HAVE SAID, MR. ANGEL AND I BOTH SAID, THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR FUTURE EMPLOYMENT AND INDUSTRIAL USES, YET THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T THERE AND READY FOR IT.
A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WORKING WITH THE TOWN.
ON THESE PARTICULAR EXTENSIONS OF INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT IT STARTS TO OPEN UP THIS AREA FOR THAT GROWTH THAT I THINK IS EXCITING FOR THE TOWN.
IT IS 3 MILES OF A WATER MAIN EXTENSION AND UPSIZING 2 MILES OF THE SEWER FORCE MAIN EXTENSION, AS WELL AS LIFT STATION, THAT LUCKETT ROAD EXTENSION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND THEN THE DRAINAGE.
AND I THINK THE DRAINAGE WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD WITH THE TOWN.
THAT DRAINAGE CHANNEL, THAT FIVE MILE DRAINAGE CHANNEL IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN THE TOWN'S PLANS.
IT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED AT ALL.
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THIS PROJECT DOING THE 30% DESIGNS,
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SO THAT WHEN THE REST OF THAT DRAINAGE CHANNEL NEEDS TO COME IN, IT'S THE ENGINEERS ARE GOING TO KILL ME FOR THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S PLUG AND PLAY, WHICH THERE PROBABLY IS NO SUCH THING IN ENGINEERING TERMS. BUT THAT'S THE IDEA IS THAT WE WILL HAVE BUILT A PIECE OF IT, AND THEN THE REST OF IT CAN COME, AND THE TOWN WILL HAVE A 30% DESIGN OF THE ENTIRE 5 MILES.I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
THIS IS NOT IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT.
THIS THESE ECONOMIC NUMBERS WERE DONE BY AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY ANALYSIS.
THEY WERE NOT DONE BY US, AND IT WAS AN ANALYST WHO I KNOW THE TOWN HAS WORKED WITH ON OTHER PROJECTS BEFORE.
THIS ANALYSIS, ALL OF THESE NUMBERS DO INCORPORATE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME STATE LEVEL INCENTIVES FOR DATA CENTERS TO ATTRACT DATA CENTERS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT PUFFED UP BY NOT CONSIDERING THOSE INCENTIVES.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANY LOCAL INCENTIVES REQUESTED.
TOWN OF MARANA GETTING AHEAD OF GETTING AHEAD OF THE COMMUNITY OR GETTING AHEAD OF DATA CENTERS IN ADOPTING THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, ALSO GOT AHEAD OF DATA CENTERS WHEN IT CAME TO ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, AND DATA CENTERS SPECIFICALLY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF ANY OF THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES IN THE TOWN OF MARANA.
THERE ARE NO ECONOMIC INCENTIVES BEING REQUESTED, AND IF THEY HAD BEEN, MISS FARRELL PROBABLY WOULD HAVE THROWN THE ORDINANCE IN MY FACE AND SAID, NICE TRY CARRIE.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY LOCAL INCENTIVES.
WITH ALL OF THAT, WHAT THIS ANALYSIS INDICATES FOR OUR PHASE 1, WHICH IS A PORTION OF THE 600 ACRES.
IT'S NOT THE FULL 600 ACRES, IS THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE A $5 BILLION TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT OVER MULTI YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION.
THE TOWN TAX REVENUE IN THE FIRST TEN YEARS OF, AGAIN, PHASE ONE WILL BE IS ESTIMATED AT 145 MILLION.
YOU CAN SEE THE FOOTNOTE AT THE BOTTOM.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE COMBINED STATE COUNTY, AND TOWN REVENUE IN THAT SAME TEN YEAR PERIOD IS 407 MILLION OF WHICH 145 MILLION IS ESTIMATED TO COME TO THE TOWN OF MARANA.
THERE WILL BE, AGAIN, THE PHASE 1.
IT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION IN ONE TIME IMPACT FEES.
CONSTRUCTION JOBS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 4,200.
OVER AGAIN, THAT PHASE 1, PROBABLY ABOUT A FOUR OR FIVE YEAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, AND THEN PERMANENT JOBS, AND I WANT TO TOUCH ON THIS A MINUTE, WHICH ARE 400.
THESE ARE NEW FULL TIME PERMANENT JOBS ON THE SITE.
THEY'RE ANYWHERE FROM THE ENGINEERS AND TECHNICIANS, OPERATIONS, AND SECURITY, ALL THAT WOULD BE ON THE SITE.
ABOUT HALF OF THOSE JOBS, WILL BE THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING JOBS AND THE OTHER HALF ARE THE SECURITY AND THE OTHER JOBS.
THESE ARE JOBS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE A DATA CENTER RUN.
THEY ARE FULL TIME FULL TIME POSITIONS.
I WANT TO TOUCH ON POWER AND WATER REALLY QUICKLY.
THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES, AS MR. ANGEL INDICATED THAT WE ESTIMATE, AND WE HAVE THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT'S NEEDED, AGAIN, PER PER SITE.
TRICO IS SERVICING US ON THE LUCKETT NORTH.
IT'LL BE TEP, ON LUCKETT SOUTH.
THIS IS THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF POWER FOR FULL BUILDOUT.
IT'S ABOUT A 10-20% OF THIS TO START AND RAMP UP OVER ABOUT TWO TO THREE YEARS.
WE ARE WORKING WITH TRICO AND TP RESPECTIVELY ALONG ALONG WITH THE REQUIRED APPROVALS AT THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION.
TOWN OF MARANA DOESN'T HAVE WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE ORDINANCE IS WE DEMONSTRATE, OR WE ESTIMATE, AND THAT THERE ARE LETTERS IN OUR APPLICATION FROM BOTH PROVIDERS THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.
THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION AND THE ELECTRIC UTILITIES ARE REGULATED SEPARATE FROM LOCAL TOWNS AND CITIES, AND WE WILL BE STEPPING THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES.
COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO SAY REALLY QUICKLY ABOUT POWER THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND WE'VE SAID IT AT ALMOST EVERY PUBLIC MEETING, THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN FOR THIS PROJECT AND OTHERS, WHICH IS THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR
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THE REQUIRED INFRASTRUCTURE WITH STRONG FINANCIAL GUARANTEES.WE ARE REQUIRED TO WORK ON AGREEMENTS WITH WHOEVER IS OUR PROVIDER.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE LEARNED BOTH THE ELECTRIC UTILITIES, AS WELL AS BAL, HAVE LEARNED FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND OTHER STATES ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE GONE WRONG WHERE DATA CENTERS HAVE COME IN AND LEFT.
YOU'VE HEARD THE TERM OF THE WHAT'S THE TERM ARNO? STRANDED COSTS.
STRANDED COSTS THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT WITH THE RATE PAYERS.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE SOLVED FOR, AND WE ARE SOLVING FOR IN OUR UPCOMING AGREEMENTS.
WE ARE PAYING THE REQUIRED INFRASTRUCTURE WITH STRONG FINANCIAL GUARANTEES.
BILL PAYS THE APPROVED RATES AS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LOADS WITH NO REDUCTIONS OR DISCOUNTS.
THERE ARE REQUIRED MINIMUM PAYMENTS, WHETHER OR NOT THE DATA CENTER IS USING ELECTRICITY, STRONG CREDIT GUARANTEES TO BACK THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS THAT CAN BE DRAWN DOWN BY THE UTILITIES IN THE FUTURE IF NEEDED, AND ALL OF THESE, AS I SAID, ARE THE BEST PRACTICES TO AVOID THE STRANDED COSTS.
DATA CENTERS ARE ALSO CONSISTENT AND RELIABLE USERS OF ENERGY, WHICH MEANS THE UTILITIES FIXED COSTS CAN BE SPREAD OVER A LARGER AMOUNT OF ENERGY USERS AND SALES, WHICH THEN CAN ACTUALLY REDUCE THE COST OF ELECTRICITY FOR RATE PAYERS AS THE LOAD GROWS.
WATER, I AM GOING TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID BEFORE, WHICH I TOLD YOU I WOULD TRY NOT TO DO, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
THE PROJECT IS GOING TO CONSUME NO WATER FOR INDUSTRIAL COOLING.
BILL HAS RESPONDED TO THE CONCERNS.
THIS IS THE DESIGN AND THE ENGINEERING.
IT'S A LOOPED WATER SYSTEM AND AIR COOLED, POTABLE WATER, WHICH IS WHAT THE TOWN OF MARANA IS DELIVERING IS THE EQUIVALENT OF AN OFFICE USER FOR THINGS LIKE BATHROOMS AND KITCHENS IN AN OFFICE.
THE NON POTABLE, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S OVER A 95% REDUCTION IN THE CURRENT USE.
THE PROVIDERS, AS I SAID, ARE CMID FOR THE NON POTABLE AND THEN MARANA FOR POTABLE. HERE'S MY CHECK.
I THINK I'VE TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING.
WE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
WATER CONSUMPTION AND SOURCE IS ALL IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN WITH THE LETTER FROM CMID.
ENERGY NEEDS, WE CHATTED ABOUT LIGHTING.
THIS IS WHY I PUT THE CHECK ON HERE. I DIDN'T MENTION THAT.
THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING CODE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE COMPLY WITH.
IT SAYS IT IN THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, IT SAYS IT IN OUR SPECIFIC PLAN.
SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE GENERATORS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING.
WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
WE DID HAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
WE NOTIFIED ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AS REQUIRED BY LAW.
IT WAS VIRTUAL, WE DID HAVE TEN NEIGHBORS ATTEND.
PRESENTED PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PRESENTATION YOU HEARD TONIGHT, AND ONLY ONE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE EXPECTED OPENING DATE? WE ANSWERED THAT. IT'S LATE 2028 OR 2029, IN CASE YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
THE UPSIDE IS, I'M NOT GOING TO REDO THIS AND HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES TO GET TO THE NEXT ONE.
WE'VE WORKED HARD WITH TOWN STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE ORDINANCE.
APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT THE TOWN HAS ASSISTED US WITH.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH STAFF CONDITIONS.
THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS NOW, OR AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHATEVER IS YOUR PLEASURE.
>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SILVAN? AT THIS TIME? NO.
>> AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IF I WILL REMIND YOU YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
SO WHEN THE TIMER GOES OFF, PLEASE RESPECT THE TIME FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS.
I AM A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA IN MINING AND MINERAL PROCESSING AND A VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY NATIONAL GUARD WITH 24 YEARS OF SERVICE.
AND AS AN ENGINEER, I HAVE QUESTIONS.
IF THIS DATA CENTER CONSUMES 550-750 MEGAWATTS OF POWER,
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WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL RATE CUSTOMERS? WE ALREADY KNOW COMMERCIAL RATE CUSTOMERS PAY THREE CENTS LESS A KILOWATT THAN RESIDENTIALS DO.AND IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH POWER, WHO'S GOING TO LOSE THEIR POWER FIRST? IS IT GOING TO BE BEALE AND THEIR DATA CENTER, OR IS IT GOING TO BE US? DOES YOUR BACKUP POWER CONSIST OF A DIESEL OR LNG GENERATOR? ONSITE POWER GENERATION IS EXEMPT FROM THE CLEAN AIR ACT.
HOW MUCH OF THIS POWER IS GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR THINGS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, STARTING UP, TESTING, HOW MANY HOURS? AND AGAIN, THIS IS EXEMPT FROM THE CLEAN AIR ACT.
WILL THE GENERATORS REQUIRE ON SITE FUEL USAGE? IF THERE'S A SPILL, AN ACCIDENT OR A CATASTROPHIC EVENT? WILL BEALE BOND THE TOWN FROM ANY CATASTROPHIC EVENTS THAT MAY OCCUR? AND WHAT BOND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PUT UP TO ASSURE THAT A POLLUTED SITE IS NOT GOING TO BE ON THE TOWN FOR CLEANUP? REMEMBER PFAS? NOBODY KNEW WHAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW, BUT NOW THE TOWN IS ON THE HOOK FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CLEANUP FROM PFAS? WHAT IS THIS DATA CENTER GOING TO DO? WHAT DO WE NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS DATA CENTER AND THE POLLUTION IT MIGHT BRING TO OUR TOWN? THIS IS A SPECULATIVE PROJECT.
BEALE CURRENTLY HAS NO CUSTOMERS FOR THIS DATA CENTER, AND MULTIPLE FINANCIAL AGENCIES BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A BUBBLE.
AND GIVEN THE CONVENIENCE OF THE PROPOSED MCT PRISON LOCATED NEARBY, WILL ICE RAID THE CONSTRUCTION SITE WHEN THEIR QUOTAS ARE DOWN? I'M NOT AGAINST PROGRESS, BUT I WANT TO SEE WRITTEN GUARANTEES BEFORE THIS REZONING GOES THROUGH, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S MUCH HERE FOR THE TOWN OF MARANA, BUT THERE'S A LOT HERE FOR BILLIONAIRES AND TECH BROS.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THE OVERFLOW AREA, WHICH IS IN THE PD COMMUNITY ROOM.
SO IF YOU COULD READ MAYBE TWO OR THREE NAMES AT A TIME, WHO'S UP? WHO'S ON DECK, THAT WILL ALLOW ANYONE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE PD COMMUNITY ROOM ADVANCE NOTICE.
>> WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR NAMES AND ADDRESSES TO BE READ BEFORE COMMENTS ARE MADE AND [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'VE ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF REQUESTS TO EITHER HAVE YOUR MIC MOVE CLOSER OR IF YOU COULD SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY HEARING.
OKAY. I HAVE A MATTHEW ROBIN TRAPP.
AND NEXT ON DECK IS JACKIE MCGUIRE.
AND THEN NEXT ON DECK IS SUSAN DUMONT.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS MATTHEW ROBIN TRAPP FROM 88 50 NORTH SOULOER LANE.
MY NAME IS MATTHEW ROWAN TRAPP, A MARANA RESIDENT WHO RECENTLY GRADUATED FROM MARANA HIGH SCHOOL.
I'M CURRENTLY STUDYING MATHEMATICS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA, AND AS SUCH, I'M OFTEN THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE.
MARANA HAS BEEN OUR HOME FOR MOST OF OUR LIVES, AND FOR SOME OF US, INCLUDING MYSELF, OUR ENTIRE LIVES.
HOWEVER, BRINGING A DATA CENTER TO OUR COMMUNITY COULD COMPLETELY UP END OUR PLANS TO REMAIN HERE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
THERE ARE SO MANY UNKNOWNS FROM RESOURCE AND ELECTRICITY USAGE TO POLLUTION, BOTH WATER POLLUTION AND PHYSICAL E-WASTE.
THIS EXTREME USAGE AND WASTE OF RESOURCES WILL RAISE RATES OF OUR AMENITIES, MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO ATTAIN OWNERSHIP AND BUILD A LIFE AND A FAMILY.
FURTHERMORE, THIS INCREASED IN COST AND WASTE WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THOSE WHO ALREADY OWN A HOUSE AND HAVE MANAGED TO BUILD A LIFE TO RETAIN THEIR CURRENT LIVING STANDARDS.
A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE THIS MORNING,
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CONVIDED THAT HIS SINGLE MOTHER, WHO WORKS IN HEALTHCARE, WOULD STRUGGLE TO PAY THE BILLS IF THE COST OF AMENITIES INCREASED AS DRASTICALLY AS THE DATA CENTER THREATENS.FINANCIAL GAIN FOR THE FEW SHOULD NOT BANKRUPT THE MANY.
I URGE THE COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL TO REMEMBER THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE DEEP FAMILY MONEY, AND REMEMBER THAT PATTING THE POCKETS OF MULTI MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES IS NOT HOW YOU ENCOURAGE THE GROWTH AND SUCCESS OF A COMMUNITY.
THE FUTURE OF A TOWN IS MORE THAN JUST MONEY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. OKAY, JACKIE MCGUIRE.
>> HELLO, COUNSEL, MY NAME IS JACKIE MCGUIRE.
I AM ALSO AN AI DATA CENTER AND CYBERSECURITY EXPERT AND RESEARCH ANALYST.
FOR THE FIRST 15 YEARS OF MY CAREER, I WAS AN ECONOMIST AND A SECURITIES BROKER AND REGISTERED INVESTMENT ADVISOR.
ONE THING I FIND CURIOUS THAT BEALE HASN'T MENTIONED IS THAT THEY'RE A SUBSIDIARY OF A COMPANY CALLED BLUE OWL.
THEY ARE PUBLICLY TRADED O-W-L. BLUE OWL IS CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FOR SECURITIES FRAUD FOR MAKING MATERIAL MISSTATEMENTS ABOUT THEIR LIQUIDITY AND THE STATUS OF THEIR FINANCIALS.
NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE AI BUBBLE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO POTENTIALLY 750 MEGAWATT DATA CENTERS.
THE COST TO CONSTRUCT AND THEN PUT THE COMPONENTS IN THOSE DATA CENTERS WILL BE APPROXIMATELY $120 BILLION.
THIS IS BEING FUNDED PRIMARILY WITH PRIVATE EQUITY AND DEBT THAT'S BEING HIDDEN FROM PUBLIC COMPANY BALANCE SHEETS FROM COMPANIES LIKE META, AMAZON, GOOGLE, AND OPEN AI.
THE RESULT OF THIS IS THAT THESE THINGS DO NOT SHOW UP AS DEBT ON THOSE PUBLIC COMPANIES BALANCE SHEETS.
THEY SHOW UP AS EQUITY ASSETS.
WE HAVE NO WAY OF REALLY KNOWING HOW MUCH DEBT EXISTS.
LET ME QUOTE THE CEO OF IBM, IRVIN KRISHNA, WHO JUST RECENTLY PUT OUT A THOUGHT PIECE, TELLING EVERYBODY THAT THIS BUBBLE IS ABOUT TO BURST.
IF YOU SPEND $120 BILLION TO CONSTRUCT AND THEN PUT COMPONENTS IN A DATA CENTER, JUST SERVICING THE INTEREST ON THAT LOAN IS $1.2 BILLION PER YEAR.
ONE-AND-A-HALF GIGAWATTS OF POWER WILL NOT PRODUCE ENOUGH COMPUTE TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE ENOUGH REVENUE TO SERVICE $1.2 BILLION OF INTEREST ON THOSE LOANS PER YEAR.
THE CHIPS THAT GO INTO THESE DATA CENTERS LAST APPROXIMATELY 18-24 MONTHS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE DEPRECIATED OVER FIVE YEARS.
THIS IS KIND OF LIKE PAINTING THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE, WHICH MEANS THAT AS SOON AS YOU'RE DONE INSTALLING ALL OF THOSE RACKS, YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING AND YOU BEGIN UPGRADING THOSE RACKS, CREATE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF E-WASTE THAT THIS COMMUNITY WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SERVICE.
AND THAT'S ON TOP OF THE INTEREST ALONE FOR THE LOANS TO BUILD THESE DATA CENTERS.
THIS IS A FINANCIALLY UNSUSTAINABLE PROJECT.
I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS TOWN FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS.
THE TOWN HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB OF CREATING PUBLIC SPACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME OUT OF THEIR HOUSES AND SOCIALIZE.
I DO NOT WANT AN EYESORE THAT BY THE END OF 2029, WILL END UP AS AN EMPTY BUILDING, WITH NO CONSUMERS FOR THAT CAPITAL, WITH NO WAY TO FUND THE DEBT THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN ON TO CONSTRUCT THIS DATA CENTER.
AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I MAKE A LIVING ON CLOUD COMPUTING.
THIS AI BUBBLE BURSTING IS GOING TO MATERIALLY IMPACT MY ABILITY TO PAY MY MORTGAGE, AND I WILL HAVE TO PIVOT.
I DON'T WANT THAT FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN OF MARANA.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA, AND I'LL BE BACK NEXT TIME TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE ACTUAL COMPONENTS. THANK YOU.
MY ADDRESS IS 2975 WEST SHINING STAR DRIVE, TUCSON.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CHAMBER OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA.
I'M GOING TO KEEP MY COMMENTS SHORT AND DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUE WHO HAS ALSO PULLED A CARD, BUT I DID WANT TO GO ON RECORD TO SAY THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
AND I COMMEND THE TOWN FOR CREATING THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTEN AHEAD AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN HAVE CONSTRUCTIVE DEVELOPMENT WHILE PROTECTING YOUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, JOE WESTERMAN.
RYAN RUES AND CRAIG PORT ARE ON DECK.
AS A LONGTIME MARANA BUSINESS OWNER AND FORMER MEMBER OF THE MARANA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
I'VE CLOSELY FOLLOWED THE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, EXCUSE ME, SINCE LAST SUMMER.
WELL, I RESPECT THE RIGHT OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS, WHETHER THEY AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
I AM DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE DISRUPTIVE AND ADVERSARIAL BEHAVIOR EXHIBITED IN OTHER FORUMS LIKE THIS.
THE SCENES OF PROTESTERS RESORTING TO VERBAL ABUSE, MAKING THREATS, AND SPREADING MISINFORMATION ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT AND CHARACTER OF THE CONSTRUCTIVE COMMUNITY THAT I'VE BEEN PROUD TO LIVE IN FOR THE LAST 32 YEARS.
I HAVE GENUINELY SOUGHT TO UNDERSTAND THE VITAL ROLE THAT MODERN DATA CENTERS PLAY IN OUR ECONOMY AND DAILY LIVES.
THE SHEER VOLUME OF FALSEHOODS AND THE BLURRING OF FACTS, SOMETIMES AMPLIFIED BY LOCAL MEDIA HAVE SEVERELY IMPAIRED THE ABILITY FOR A CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE TO TAKE PLACE.
IT REQUIRES AN ACTIVE EFFORT TO CUT THROUGH THE NOISE AND UNDERSTAND THE TRUE FACTS.
HAVING DONE THAT WORK, I'M CONFIDENT IN THESE KEY CONCLUSIONS.
DATA CENTERS ARE ESSENTIAL TO OUR DAILY LIVES.
THEY SUPPORT EVERYTHING FROM GLOBAL COMMERCE TO LOCAL CONDUCTIVITY.
ARIZONA'S UTILITY REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT IS UNIQUE.
COMPARISONS TO THE EXPERIENCES OF OTHER CITIES AND STATES ARE OFTEN INACCURATE AND MISLEADING WHEN APPLIED TO OUR SPECIFIC SYSTEM AND PROTECTIONS.
THE TOWN OF MARANA HAS SHOWN FORESIGHT BY PROACTIVELY RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF THIS INDUSTRY AND HAS ESTABLISHED A STRONG DATA CENTER ORDINANCE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS AND EXISTING BUSINESSES.
BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF BEALE INFRASTRUCTURE'S PROPOSAL, THE COMPANY HAS ENGAGED THOUGHTFULLY WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND HAS HAS COMMITTED TO ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT THAT ALIGNS WITH MARANA'S LONG TERM VISION.
SO FOR THESE REASONS, AND BASED ON FACTUAL INFORMATION, MARANA'S PROTECTIVE ORDINANCE AND THE IMMENSE ECONOMIC BENEFIT, I URGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SUPPORT THIS REZONING REQUEST.
AND A FINAL NOTE AS A FUTURE OCCUPANT OF THE MARANA VETERANS CEMETERY WITH A VIEW OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING, I HOPE THE BUILDING IS ATTRACTIVE SINCE I WILL BE SEEING IT FOR ETERNITY.
AND I HOPE IT IS FINISHED LONG BEFORE I AM.
OKAY, NEXT ON DECK IS MICHAEL GUYMON, TED MAXWELL, AND RAQUEL MONGOLONE.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CRAIG PORT.
I'M A HOMEOWNER IN THE GLADDEN FARMS COMMUNITY HERE IN MARANA, 11895 WEST ROCKY COVE DRIVE.
I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT ABOUT THE PROPOSED DATA CAMPUS ON THE ROUGHLY 3-600 ACRES NEAR LUCKETT ROAD BY BEALE INFRASTRUCTURE.
LET ME START BY SAYING CLEARLY, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO GROWTH.
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THIS DATA CENTER COMING TO MARANA.
I WELCOME GOOD JOBS AND NEW INVESTMENT.
WHAT I AM FIRMLY OPPOSED TO IS A SCENARIO WHERE THAT GROWTH RAISES MY FAMILY'S ELECTRIC BILL, WATER BILL, SEWER BILL, OR PROPERTY TAXES, EVEN BY A SINGLE DOLLAR.
DATA CENTERS USE ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF POWER AND WATER ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHEN UTILITIES HAVE TO BUILD NEW SUBSTATIONS, TRANSMISSION LINES, POWER PLANTS, OR WATER SYSTEM UPGRADES TO SERVE THESE FACILITIES.
REGULATORS ALMOST ALWAYS APPROVE SPREADING THOSE MULTI BILLION DOLLAR COSTS ACROSS EVERY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER IN THE SERVICE AREA.
THE RESULT, PERMANENT RATE INCREASES FOR PEOPLE WHO GET NONE OF THE DIRECT BENEFIT.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IT HAPPEN IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA,
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RESIDENT RATES WENT UP ROUGHLY 50 PERCENT SINCE 2018, AND DATA SETTERS REPEATEDLY CITED IN RATE CASES.GEORGIA, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN EXTRA COSTS PASSED ON TO GEORGIA POWER CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF MICROSOFT, QTS, GOOGLE, AND META CAMPUSES.
IN TEXAS, IOWA, OHIO, AND NEBRASKA, SAME STORY.
UTILITIES APPROVE THE PROJECTS, THEN COME BACK ASKING FOR RATE HIKES THAT HIT EVERY HOMEOWNER.
IN ALMOST EVERY DOCUMENTED CASE, OVER THE LAST DECADE, RESIDENTS END UP PAYING FOR MORE.
THE ONLY PLACE THAT AVOIDED THESE RATE HIKES ARE THE RARE TOWNS THAT NEGOTIATED IRON CLAD UPFRONT AGREEMENTS FORCING THE DATA CENTER OPERATOR TO COVER 100 PERCENT OF THE INCREMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND OPERATING COSTS, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING MARANA TO DO.
IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, AND AGAIN, I'M FINE IF IT DOES, THEN BEALE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ANY FUTURE OPERATORS MUST BE CONTRACTUALLY AND LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL KILOWATT, EVERY GALLON OF WATER, AND EVERY DOLLAR OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THEIR CAMPUS REQUIRES.
NO COST SHIFTING TO TEP RATE PAIRS, NO COST SHIFTING TO TRICO RATE PAIRS, AND NO COST SHIFTING TO MARANA WATER OR SEWER CUSTOMERS.
IF COSTS STILL SOMEHOW TRICKLE DOWN, THE TOWN MUST OFFSET THEM DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR THROUGH PROPERTY TAX REDUCTIONS, SO RESIDENTS SEE A ZERO NET INCREASE.
I'M ASKING FOR THE TOWN OF MARANA TO PLEASE PUT THE RESIDENTS FIRST.
REQUIRE BINDING, ENFORCEABLE PROTECTIONS BEFORE YOU APPROVE A SINGLE SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.
GROWTH IS GREAT, BUT ONLY WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY CALL MARANA HOME DON'T PAY THE PRICE FOR IT.
YOU CAN BE ALMOST CERTAIN THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE ON BOARD WITH THIS DATA CENTER IF THE RESIDENTS OF MARANA WERE ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED, THERE WOULD BE NO INCREASE IN OUR BILLS. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR SCHNEE, MEMBERS OF THE MORENA PLANNING COMMISSION.
I AM A CHIEF ADVOCACY OFFICER FOR THE CHAMBER OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA.
I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE ELCHE ROAD DATA CENTER REPRESENTS SOMETHING SIMPLE BUT POWERFUL, NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.
WHAT EXCITES ME MOST IS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A BUILDING.
IT'S A CHANCE TO KEEP TALENT IN OUR REGION.
THE DEVELOPER ESTIMATES 4,200 CONSTRUCTION JOBS OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN YEARS AND FOUR FULL TIME JOBS ONCE THE CAMPUS IS OPERATING, INCLUDING TRAINING AND APPRENTICESHIPS SO YOUNG PEOPLE CAN BUILD SKILLS TO LEAD REAL CAREERS HERE AT HOME.
TO ME, THAT'S WHAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REALLY LOOKS LIKE.
PEOPLE LEARNING, EARNING AND BUILDING A LIFE IN THE COMMUNITY THEY LOVE.
THE BENEFITS DON'T STOP WITH PEOPLE ON SITE.
HERE IN MARANA, YOU HAVE PLANNED AHEAD.
THE LAND FOR THE PROJECT IS ALREADY DESIGNATED FOR EMPLOYMENT, AWAY FROM HOMES, NEAR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED, AND WITHOUT IMPACTS TO SENSITIVE HABITATS OR CULTURAL RESOURCES.
THAT'S RESPONSIVE PLANNING, MEETING RESIDENTS EXPECTATIONS FOR GROWTH THAT BUILDS VALUE WITHOUT CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
I WANT TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR TONIGHT ABOUT ENERGY AND WATER.
PEOPLE WANT REASSURANCE THAT BIG PROJECTS WILL ACT RESPONSIBLY, AND I AGREE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY RESPONDED TO THAT DEMAND.
THE DEVELOPER CHANGED THEIR DESIGN TO ADVANCED AIR COOLING, WHICH CUTS WATER BY MORE THAN 95% COMPARED TO CURRENT FARM LAND ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
TODAY, AGRICULTURE USES ABOUT 2000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR, WHICH WAS MENTIONED, WHILE THE DATA CENTER WILL NEED AROUND 40 ACRE FEET, SIMILAR TO OTHER OFFICE SPACE USES.
ON ENERGY, THE DEVELOPER IS COMMITTED TO PAYING THEIR FULL COST, NO SUBSIDIES, NO DISCOUNTS, AND NO SHIFTING OF COSTS TO LOCAL RATEPAYERS.
THEY WILL FUND THEIR INTERCONNECTION AND INFRASTRUCTURE WITH TRICO AND TEP, WHICH PROTECTS RESIDENTS AND BOTH UTILITIES HAVE STATED THIS CAN BE DONE WITHOUT RAISING RATES OR REDUCING SERVICE.
IN FACT, ADDING STEADY INDUSTRIAL LOAD WILL HELP TO SPREAD FIXED COST AMONGST MORE CONSUMERS AND HELP WITH GRID RELIABILITY.
FINALLY, THIS PROJECT CREATES SOLUTIONS THAT REACH BEYOND ITS FRONT GATE.
TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE, THE DEVELOPER WILL CONSTRUCT A THREE MILE WATER MAIN EXTENSION, A TWO MILE SEWER LINE, AND NEW ACCESS TO LUCKETT ROAD, OPENING UP THE NORTHERN EMPLOYMENT AREA, AND EVEN IMPROVING ACCESS TO THE ARIZONA VETERANS MEMORIAL CEMETERY.
THAT'S LOCAL IMPACT YOU CAN SEE, AND IT SETS THE STAGE FOR NEW EMPLOYERS TO GROW HERE IN THE FUTURE.
IN THE FIRST 10 YEARS, PHASE 1 ALONE IS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE $407 MILLION IN STATE COUNTY AND LOCAL TAX REVENUE, INCLUDING $145 MILLION TO MARANA'S GENERAL FUND, SUPPORTING POLICE, FIRE, PARKS, ROADS, AND SCHOOLS.
THOSE ARE RESOURCES THAT MAKE EVERYDAY LIFE BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK HERE.
TONIGHT, I'M ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT THAT REFLECTS MARANA'S VALUES,
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PLANNING AHEAD, LISTENING TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS, AND CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING A FUTURE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE WORK AND BUILD THEIR CAREERS RIGHT HERE.
>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] TED MAXWELL.
>> GOOD GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN SCHNEE, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M TED MAXWELL, THE PRESIDENT CEO, THE SOUTHERN ARIZONA LEADERSHIP COUNCIL REPRESENTING OVER 150 CEOS AND SENIOR LEADERS IN OUR REGION.
I'M AN ORA VALLEY RESIDENT, AND I APPRECIATE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ABDICATE WITH YOU TONIGHT ON APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DATA CENTER.
NOW, SOME PEOPLE HEAR THE PHRASE DATA CENTER, AND THEY THINK IT'S JUST A BUILDING FULL OF SERVERS.
BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE BACKBONE OF THE MODERN ECONOMY.
EVERY INDUSTRY, WHETHER IT'S HEALTHCARE, AEROSPACE, LOGISTICS, EDUCATION, FINANCE, AND YES, EVEN OUR SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES DEPEND ON SECURE, EFFICIENT, DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO OPERATE.
WHEN WE WELCOME RESPONSIBLE DATA CENTER INVESTMENT, WE ARE POSITIONING MARANA AND OUR REGION AT THE CENTER OF THIS ECONOMIC ENGINE.
DATA CENTERS BRING HIGH QUALITY WELL PAYING JOBS.
FROM CONSTRUCTION TRADES TO ENGINEERING FOR SECURITY, OPERATIONS, LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE.
YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT SOME OF THAT. THESE ARE JOBS THAT WILL KEEP FAMILIES ROOTED THAT WILL BRING NEW TALENT TO OUR REGION.
THEY ARE ALSO GENERATE SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANT TAX REVENUES.
WITHOUT STRAINING YOUR LOCAL SCHOOLS, YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OR YOUR PARKS.
THAT MEANS MORE RESOURCES FOR THE SERVICES THAT MAKE MARANA SUCH A STRONG AND FAMILY FOCUSED TOWN.
THE BENEFITS ARE FAR MORE REACHING THAN A SINGLE PROJECT.
APPROVING DATA CENTERS DEVELOPMENT SENDS A POWERFUL MESSAGE TO OTHER EMPLOYERS.
MARANA IS READY TO INNOVATE AND TO PREPARE TO BUILD A STABLE, ECONOMIC FUTURE.
COMPANIES WANT TO INVEST IN COMMUNITIES THAT PLAN AHEAD, PROVIDE REAL RELIABLE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKE SMART DECISIONS.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS.
LET'S ALSO REMEMBER, DATA CENTERS DON'T JUST SUPPORT THE ECONOMIC GROWTH.
THEY STRENGTHEN THE DIGITAL FOUNDATION THAT KEEPS OUR LIVES MOVING.
THEY SUPPORT THE FLOW OF INFORMATION THAT POWERS EMERGENCY SERVICES, ONLINE LEARNING, TELEMEDICINE, AND THE EVERYDAY CONVENIENCES WE'VE ALL BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO.
IN A FAST CHANGING WORLD, STRONG DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT A LUXURY, IT'S A NECESSITY.
AS A RETIRED MILITARY OFFICER, I CAN TELL YOU IT IS MORE THAN THAT.
IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.
AS A NATION, WE NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR COUNTRY, IN OUR CONTROL.
TONIGHT, I'M ASKING US TO THINK BIGGER, TO THINK LONG-TERM, TO THINK ABOUT THE MARANA YOU WANT TO LEAVE FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.
APPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE BUILDINGS.
IT'S ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY, THE RESILIENCE, AND THE PROSPERITY THAT THEY MAKE.
LET'S CHOOSE A STRONGER FUTURE.
LET'S CHOOSE PROSPERITY FOR MARANA AND OUR ENTIRE REGION. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] NEXT , RAQUEL, MONGO.
THEN ANGELA KAMAS, BRIAN HITOFF AND TIFFANY HARROD.
>> HI, COMMISSIONERS. HELLO. THANK YOU.
YOU DID PRETTY WELL ON MY NAME.
I HAVE TO SAY. MY NAME IS FOR CAL MOGOLLON.
I LIVE AT 418 WEST 23RD STREET IN TUCSON.
I'M HERE TO DAY WITH CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED REZONING OF A 600 ACRE AREA FOR THE DATA CENTERS.
AS DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT HAS ACCELERATED ACROSS THE US, COMMUNITIES HAVE REPORTED NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
WATER POLLUTION, AIR POLLUTION, RISING UTILITY PRICES, AND WATER SHORTAGES TO NAME A FEW.
ARE THE COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF CERTAIN THAT THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH STIPULATIONS IN PLACE IN THIS REZONING TO PROTECT RESIDENTS FROM THE POTENTIAL RISKS ONGOING? WHILE MARANA'S ORDINANCE TO PREVENT DATA CENTERS FROM USING POTABLE WATER IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? THE DATA CENTER CAMPUS WILL STILL PRESUMABLY USE NON-POTABLE WATER? WILL THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN INCLUDE LIMITS ON WATER USE ONGOING?
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ADDITIONALLY, HOW WILL THE 550 TO 750 MEGAWATTS OF POWER NEEDED BE GENERATED? HOW ARE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF CERTAIN THAT THE COSTS FOR BUILDING ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NEVER BE PASSED ON TO RATE PAYERS? DO WE KNOW THE LEVEL OF STATE TAX BREAKS THIS PROJECT WILL RECEIVE? I AM ASKING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THESE QUESTIONS AND VOTE NO IF THERE ARE NOT ANSWERS AVAILABLE AS CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR SHARED WATER, AIR, AND ECONOMIC FUTURE ARE IN PLAY.WHAT WE'VE SEEN HAPPEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES SHOWS US THAT THE STAKES ARE VERY HIGH.
IS IT WORTH BRINGING IN A PROJECT WITH SO MANY RISKS AND UNKNOWNS? I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] ANGELA KAMAS.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS.
I LIVE AT 121, 60 NORTH GOLDEN VIEW LANE.
WE RECENTLY MOVED FOUR GENERATIONS INTO OUR HOME.
I HAVE A VERY VESTED INTEREST IN PROTECTING THE WATER THAT WE ARE ALREADY HEARING IS IN SUCH SHORT SUPPLY FOR AT LEAST SEVEN GENERATIONS.
YES, THIS IS A CLOSED AIR COOLED SYSTEM.
IT STILL USES WATER, LOTS OF WATER THROUGH EVAPORATION TO MAKE IT COOL.
THESE SYSTEMS HAVE SHOWN TO BE LARGELY INEFFICIENT, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH TEMPERATURE AREAS.
THEY USE LOTS AND LOTS OF ELECTRICITY.
THEY NEED EXTRA SPACE FOR AIR COOLED SYSTEMS. THEY DO NOT EXPAND WELL.
ALL OF THESE DATA CENTERS SHOW THAT, YES, THERE'S LOTS OF 4,200 JOBS FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT DROPS OFF TO A FEW HUNDRED.
THOSE ARE OFTEN LOW PAYING JOBS THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT.
THE POLLUTION IN THE WATER, WHILE THEY'RE NOT USING POTABLE WATER, THEY ARE POLLUTING THE WATER SYSTEMS, AND THE DRAINAGE, IT GOES INTO OUR AQUIFERS.
THE LAND IS WHAT FILTERS THE WATER.
COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE US ARE SUFFERING FROM THE POLLUTION THAT'S GOING INTO THE WATER SYSTEMS. THE WATERS ARE BECOMING CONTAMINATED.
THE AIR FROM THE NITRATES FROM THEIR GENERATORS AND THE FANS THAT THEY ARE EMITTING IS ALSO HIGH AIR POLLUTION.
LUNG CANCER, ASTHMA IS INCREASING IN THE COMMUNITIES.
I JUST BROUGHT MY GRANDCHILDREN AND MY MOTHER AND MY DAUGHTER HERE.
MY DAUGHTER ALREADY HAS ASTHMA.
I DON'T WANT WORSENED AIR POLLUTION FOR HER.
I'M HOPING THAT I HAVE MORE GENERATIONS HERE, NOT LESS.
THIS IS EXTREMELY CONCERNING TO MY FAMILY AND FOUR GENERATIONS IN IT.
I AM ASKING, PLEASE, IF YOU CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT OUR RATES THEY'RE NOT GOING TO INCREASE, PLEASE DO NOT BRING THIS HERE.
WE ARE STRUGGLING AS IT IS, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON WE PUT FOUR GENERATIONS IN A HOME WITH ALL OF THE INCREASING COSTS FROM FOOD, WATER, ELECTRIC, TEP IS ALREADY TELLING US THEY'RE GOING TO INCREASE OUR RATES.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I LIVE AT 5111 WEST ANGERIN ROAD, AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN MY CAPACITY AS A CEO OF TECO ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.
SHARE OUR PERSPECTIVE ON HOW A DATA CENTER DEVELOPED THE RIGHT WAY CAN BE A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERY MEMBER OF TECO ELECTRIC.
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FIRST, LET ME REMIND YOU OF WHAT TECO IS.WE ARE A CUSTOMER OWNED NOT FOR PROFIT ELECTRIC UTILITY.
WE WERE FORMED IN 1945 WHEN FARMERS, RANCHERS, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS COULDN'T GET ELECTRIC SERVICE FROM OTHER PROVIDERS, AND SO THEY BANDED TOGETHER AND DID WHAT MANY SAID COULDN'T BE DONE.
THEY CREATED A BUSINESS, THEY OWNED AND STARTED STRINGING ELECTRIC LINES, OUR FIRST SUBSTATION, OUR FIRST GENERATION PLANT, AND OUR FIRST MEMBERS ARE IN THE AREA OF THIS PROPERTY.
WE'VE BEEN IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUSINESS FOR 80 YEARS, BUILDING POWER LINES AND GENERATION RESOURCES WHEN OUR MEMBERS NEEDED THEM.
WE ARE A GROWING COOPERATIVE, AND THAT HAS LED THE COOPERATIVE ELECTRIC INDUSTRY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS, INCLUDING COOPERATIVE OWNED GENERATION, SOLAR GENERATION, AND BATTERY STORAGE, AND MEMBER OWNED ROOFTOP SOLAR.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES AND DO BEST FOR OUR MEMBERS, AND WE'RE WILLING, ABLE, AND EXCITED TO DO THAT.
OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS SAW DATA CENTERS COMING AND WORKED HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE OPPORTUNITY AND GET AHEAD OF MANAGING THE IMPACT, DEVELOPING ROBUST INTAKE PROCESSES AND CLEAR GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
OUR DIRECTORS PRIMARY CONCERN WAS PROTECTING OUR MEMBERSHIP FROM ANY NEGATIVE RELIABILITY OR FINANCIAL IMPACTS, AND WE'VE DEVELOPED A PROCESS TO DO EXACTLY THAT.
HERE'S HOW. WE WILL REQUIRE CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENTS THAT THE DATA CENTER PAYS 100% OF THE UPFRONT COSTS FOR ALL DISTRIBUTION AND TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY PAY FOR FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND SYSTEM IMPACT STUDIES.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE IS DIRECT ASSIGNMENT OF GENERATION COSTS AND THE EXPENSE TO DEVELOP, BUILD AND MAINTAIN ADDITIONAL GENERATION RESOURCES.
IF THE COST TO BUILD OR BUY NEW RESOURCES TO SERVE THEM EXCEEDS OUR CURRENT EMBEDDED GENERATION COSTS, THE DATA CENTER PAYS THE DIFFERENCE, NOT OUR MEMBERS.
THIS PROTECTS OUR MEMBERS, OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THE COOPERATIVE.
AS WE WORK THROUGH THE CONTRACTING AND REGULATORY PROCESS WITH DATA CENTERS, WE WILL REMAIN FOCUSED ON THESE PRIORITIES OR THESE PROTECTIONS. BUT THERE'S MORE.
AFTER ALL THESE PROTECTIONS, THE COOPERATIVE STILL REALIZES FINANCIAL UPSIDE THROUGH ONGOING ELECTRIC DELIVERY.
THE TECO BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND SUBSEQUENTLY, THE ACC JUST APPROVED OUR FIRST BASE RATE INCREASE SINCE 19 2017, NINE YEARS OF RATE STABILITY.
THAT INCREASE WAS BASED ON 2023 EXPENSES, AND WE ARE PROJECTING THAT WITH THIS DATA CENTER THAT WE WILL PROLONG OUR NET THE NEED FOR OUR NEXT RATE INCREASE BY THREE TO FOUR MORE YEARS.
THERE'S FINANCIAL UPSIDE TO THE POTENTIAL DATA CENTER LOCATING IN OUR AREA. THANK YOU.
NEXT ON DECK IS IAN MCDOWELL, JAMES GOLIN, JENNIES BURTON.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TIFFANY, AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF MARANA FOR 24 YEARS.
I FIRST WOULD LIKE TO JUST STATE THAT I DO APPRECIATE 'S INTENT TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, NOT ONLY HERE IN MARANA, BUT ALSO STATEWIDE ON CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN ARISING IN OTHER STATES, BUT MY QUESTION TONIGHT IS, HOW CAN WE BE GUARANTEED THAT THESE ISSUES WILL NOT ARISE AGAIN? WHAT IS THE BACKUP PLAN? I THESE AIR COOLING SYSTEMS DON'T WORK? IS WATER THE BACKUP PLAN? IN A STUDY SHOWN IN DATA CENTER THAT WAS A QUARTER OF THE PROJECTED SIZE OF THE DATA CENTER.
JUST IN ONE DAY ALONE, THEY'VE USED OVER 1 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY.
PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR TUCSON SIZE.
THAT'S ENOUGH WATER FOR 61,000 HOMES HERE IN TUCSON.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE WATER THAT WE HAVE HERE NOW WHEN WE ALREADY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER FOR OUR ARIZONA PEOPLE? THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF STUDIES THAT HAVE STATED THAT WE BARELY HAVE ENOUGH WATER FOR PHOENIX.
PHOENIX, AS A GROWING COMMUNITY AS IT IS NOW IS ALREADY STRUGGLING.
TAKE MARANA SIZE COMPARED TO PHOENIX.
WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS FOR OUR TOWN? I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH FOR OUR PEOPLE AND FOR OUR TOWN, BUT IF WE CANNOT BE GUARANTEED THESE THINGS, COST SHIFTING TO THE PEOPLE FOR WATER,
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ELECTRIC, AND JOB OPENINGS, WHICH WE HAVE FOUND IN SEVERAL STUDIES, JOB OPENINGS FOR SIZES OF THIS DATA CENTER, MAYBE WILL BE 30 JOBS.THAT IS AS OF SOME EAST COAST DATA CENTERS, 30 JOBS.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A WHOLE LOT FOR A HUGE BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO BE 600 PLUS ACRES.
I'M ANTICIPATING THAT THIS CENTER MIGHT BECOME EVEN LARGER.
IF THIS DOESN'T WORK, AND WE ARE NOT GUARANTEED THAT THESE THINGS WILL NOT HAPPEN TO US, I ASK YOU PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS PASS.
>> GOOD EVENING, IAN MCDOWELL.
I WORK FOR SUN CONSTRUCTION HERE IN TOWN, BUILDING IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA FOR QUITE A WHILE.
I WANT TO JUST HIT ON A COUPLE OF POINTS BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID ALREADY.
THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT DATA CENTERS AREN'T THAT NEW.
WE'VE BEEN BUILDING DATA CENTERS JUST MY COMPANY FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.
I TRIED TO FIND THE EXACT NUMBER OF DATA CENTERS THAT ARE UP IN MARICOPA COUNTY.
I THINK THAT THE COUNT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 150 AND 200 DATA CENTERS THAT ARE UP THERE.
I'M SIMPLY SAYING THIS. IT'S NOT BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY.
THERE'S EVEN DATA CENTERS SCATTERED AROUND TOWN THAT ARE FOR USE FOR PRIVATE COMPANIES.
I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, THAT YOU'RE NOT ON THE BLEEDING EDGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY ON THE GOOD SIDE OF THE LEARNING CURVE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON NOW.
WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR SOME FOLKS WHO AREN'T MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES, AND THAT'S CONSTRUCTION WORKERS.
I HEAR A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW THESE CONSTRUCTION JOBS ARE TEMPORARY.
ALL CONSTRUCTION JOBS ARE PRETTY TEMPORARY, BUT I'LL ALSO SAY THIS IS THAT CONSTRUCTION JOBS ARE GOOD JOBS, AND CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE STATISTICS TOO, I LOOKED AT THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, IT ESTIMATES THAT ABOUT ONE IN 20 PEOPLE WORK IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.
IT'S ABOUT IT'S 4.9%, SO I'M EXAGGERATING JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S ONE IN 20 PEOPLE.
I THINK THE PEOPLE I'D ADVOCATE FOR.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE AS MANY AS 1,000 PEOPLE WORKING ON ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS EXTENDED FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THAT MAKES A HUGE IMPACT ON THOSE FAMILIES, ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON THOSE SITES.
I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND ADVOCATE FOR CONSTRUCTION JOBS.
MANY OF WHICH PAY ABOVE THE MEDIAN SALARY.
I KNOW FOR OUR COMPANY WE PAY ENTRY LEVEL ENGINEERS COMING OUT OF THE UFA OVER $70,000.
THOSE ARE GOOD JOBS, SO GO CONSTRUCTION, GO CONSTRUCTION WORKERS.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. [APPLAUSE]
CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS JAMES GOLIN.
I LIVE AT 12329 NORTH WIND RUNNER, BEEN A MARANA RESIDENT FOR ABOUT THE LAST 20 YEARS.
I'VE GOT TO SEE THE REAL THOUGHTFUL AND MEANINGFUL GROWTH THAT THE TOWN HAS GONE THROUGH IN THE LAST 2025 YEARS.
IT'S BEEN PRETTY FANTASTIC TO WATCH.
I REALLY SEE THIS AS THE NEXT EVOLUTION IN THAT THOUGHTFUL AND MEANINGFUL GROWTH IN THE TOWN OF MARANA.
THE TOWN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOME OF THE BIGGEST, MOST EXCITING INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES TO THE TOWN OF MARANA, NOT TO TUCSON, NOT TO PRIMA COUNTY, BUT HERE TO THE TOWN OF MARANA.
THAT EXCITES ME. IT SHOULD EXCITE EVERY MARANA RESIDENT AND REALLY IT SHOULD EXCITE THE REGION.
I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC, AND I SINCERELY HOPE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES BEALE'S SPECIFIC PLAN. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]
MARGARET WINSHIP, AND NEXT ON DECK IS TRACY FENTON AND SEAN SAN AND VANESSA SAN.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARGARET WINSHIP, AND I LIVE IN THE TOWN OF MARANA AT 11783 NORTH ADOBE VILLAGE PLACE.
I JUST WANT TO ASK WHY AND HOW IS THIS DATA CENTER GOING TO BE SAFER THAN OTHERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE IN OREGON, VIRGINIA, TENNESSEE, THAT ARE ALREADY SHOWING DETRIMENTAL HARM DOWN THE ROAD TO RESOURCES, WE AS INDIVIDUALS, AND ESPECIALLY INCREASE COSTS TO THE PEOPLE GIVEN ITS SIZE? PLEASE REMEMBER, OR YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
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HOW DO YOU KNOW IF BEALE WILL COMPLY TO EVERYTHING IT SAYS WHEN IT'S NOT EVEN BEEN BUILT AFTER THEY GET THE LAND? WHEN THEY KEEP SAYING LESS WATER AIR COOL, DOES THAT MEAN MORE ELECTRICITY? SEEMS TO BE THAT'S HOW MY AIR CONDITIONER WORKS.I'M SURE THE SAME THINGS WERE SAID TO PEOPLE IN OREGON, TENNESSEE, VIRGINIA, AND OTHER PLACES, AND THEY'RE NOW COMPLETELY REGRETTING IT.
I THINK WE ALL NEED TO LISTEN TO THE PERSON WHO SPOKE AND WORKS IN AI BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONE THAT REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
>> FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY THAT GROWTH IS IMPORTANT.
SECOND OF ALL, MY MOTHER, BETTY FENTON IS A VET.
SHE IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE LIVE AT.
I AM HER DAUGHTER, MY SISTER WHO IS ALSO DISABLED, AND I AM DISABLED.
FIRST OFF, DATA CENTERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN VOTED AGAINST IN TUCSON, AND MARANA IS AN ANNEXED AREA OF TUCSON NOT THAT FAR FROM IT.
THOUGH THIS NORTHERN AREA OF MARANA DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH COMMERCIAL AREA YET.
WE HAVE A LOT STILL WORKING FROM HOME, INCLUDING ME.
I'M ONLY CAPABLE OF WORKING 20 HOURS OR LESS BECAUSE I HAVE FIBROMYALGIA, I HAVE RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS, I HAVE OTHER INJURIES.
I CANNOT WORK LIKE YOU GUYS DO.
SITTING HERE IS ALREADY KILLING ME.
I ALREADY BEEN SITTING HERE FOR ALMOST AN HOUR.
I CAN'T SIT FOR MORE THAN 20 MINUTES, I CAN'T STAND FOR MORE THAN 20 MINUTES.
I CAN'T WALK AROUND FOR MORE THAN 20 MINUTES.
GOING THROUGH THIS FRIGHT, WHICH IS HUGE KILLS ME.
THE NEGATIVE ADVERSE IMPACTS DUE TO THE SIGNIFICANT WATER USAGE.
THE NOISE, THE LIGHT, AND THE NOW AIR PARTICULAR MATTER, POLLUTION WILL INCREASE THE DAILY IMPACT ON VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS LIKE MYSELF, MY MOTHER, OTHERS, YOUNG OR OLD.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE AGE IS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAVE ISSUES.
I'M CLOSE TO IT. I HAVE ASTHMA AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO THE BIODIVERSITY OF OUR ANIMALS AROUND HERE.
WE HAVE COYOTES, WE HAVE HAWKS, WE HAVE OWLS, WE HAVE OTHER FALCONS THAT ALL PLAY IN MY BACKYARD.
THOUGH I ONLY WORK AND LIVE RIGHT OVER HERE OFF OF NORTH SCHOOL DAY DRIVE, IT'S NOT FAR FROM HERE.
THEY MAY NOT BE IN THE AREA THAT YOU'RE BUILDING, BUT THEY STILL GO FURTHER AWAY BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT HUMMING, BECAUSE OF THE NOISE POLLUTION, THE NANOPARTICULATE POLLUTION, AND THAT LIGHT POLLUTION.
THE NOISE, THE HUMMING AND ALL OF THAT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT ME.
I DEAL WITH IT ON A DAILY BASIS.
THIS IS A PROGRESSIVE DISEASE.
MY MOTHER WAS FORTUNATE TO WORK FOR ORANGE COUNTY IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA.
WE SOLD THAT HOME, WHICH WASN'T MUCH.
WE GOT A HOME THAT WE COULD AFFORD OUT HERE, AND WE WERE LUCKY TO GET A 2.25% MORTGAGE.
ANYBODY ELSE IN HERE HAVE THAT RATE? PROBABLY NOT. I CAN'T AFFORD TO MOVE MY MOTHER SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO WE REJECT THIS PROPOSAL, 100% VEHEMENTLY REJECT IT.
WE ALL LIVE IN AN AREA THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AIR CONDITIONING TO SURVIVE IT.
WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE WITHOUT THE AC, IF THOSE AREAS GET IMPACTED BY OUTAGES SO FAR TRY TO WIN OUR AREA.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] SEAN SAN AND VANESSA SAN.
>> I'M SEAN SAN. I LIVE AT 11853 WEST THOMAS ROAD.
IN THE GLADDEN FARMS COMMUNITY.
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I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
YOU HAVE NOT BUILT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PUT A DATA CENTER IN PLACE.
WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET IN THROUGH TANGERINE AND MARANA ROAD, AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO DEAL WITH THAT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING IN LARGE SERVERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON TRUCKS THAT ARE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT TURN.
WE ALREADY HAVE BACKUP TRAFFIC THERE FOR OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF, EVERY MORNING, EVERY DAY, AND WE'VE ALREADY BUILT AREAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE CUSTOMERS READY FOR WHEN WE BUILT THEM, AND WE HAVE AN EMPTY WAREHOUSE SITTING IN TOWN WITH NO JOBS THERE.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND BUILD A DATA CENTER WITH NO CUSTOMERS READY TO LINE UP, AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE JOBS SHOWING UP.
>> THE BUILDING HAS YET TO BE DESIGNED.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THAT'S GOING TO ENTAIL.
SOME OF THE POINTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE HERE TONIGHT IS THAT WHAT IF THESE AIR COOL SYSTEMS DON'T WORK, AND THEN THEY CHANGE THE DESIGN? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
THERE'S A LOT OF RISK THAT'S INHERENT WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT FURTHER RISKS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FURTHER WITH WATER, RATES, ELECTRICITY, THE POLLUTION THAT COULD GO INTO THE AIR INTO OUR GROUNDS.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA RISK THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN, AND I AM ALSO OPPOSED TO HAVING THIS MOVE FORWARD.
HENRY TREJO IS ON DECK, AND JOE M PARSONS IS AFTER THAT, AND GLENDA AVALOS OR AVALOS IS THE CLEANUP HITTER.
>> HELLO, COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS PLAKE PESSINA, AND I LIVE AT 12480 NORTH WHITNEY LANE.
I'M A STUDENT AT MARINA VISTA ACADEMY, AND I HAVE A COUPLE GRIEVANCES WITH THESE PLANS.
FIRST OF ALL, WE LIVE IN A DESERT CLIMATE, AND LATELY, IT'S BEEN GETTING REALLY HOT OUT LATELY.
THEY HAVE PLANS TO USE AIR COOLING.
GIVEN HOW HOT THE ENVIRONMENT IS, THOSE FANS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE WORKING HARD.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS? LIKE A LITTLE WORRYING SOUND.
[LAUGHTER] I REMEMBER IN PREVIOUS PLACES.
WHEN THEY HAD THE BITCOIN MINING, BITCOIN WAS BIG.
CRYPTO CURRENCY. YOU KNOW THAT? THEY HAD THESE BIG MINING RIGS EVERYWHERE, AND THEY HAD THE FANS RUNNING FOR THE GPUS, MINING THE BLOCK CHAIN.
I PROBABLY USED THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY THERE.
ANYWAYS, I'VE ALSO SEEN IN OTHER PREVIOUS AREAS, LIKE OREGON, TEXAS, AS STATED, WHERE TOXIC CHEMICALS WERE LEACHED INTO THE AREA SURROUNDING IT AND LEFT SOME CITIZENS INFERTILE.
I DON'T KNOW, MAN, BUT THAT SOUNDS PRETTY BAD.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
I LIKE ENJOYING THE NICE DESERT AREA EVERYWHERE.
I DON'T WANT THE AIR QUALITY TO GO DOWN.
IT'S NICE TO BE OUTSIDE, AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE SQUANDERED BY THIS.
HOWEVER, I DO HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL THE HOURS THAT WENT INTO PLANNING ON THE DATA CENTER PEOPLE'S PARTS.
LET'S SEE SOME OTHER POINTS HERE.
IT'S A PRETTY BIG CAMPUS THERE.
I'VE READ HERE, IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF DISNEYLAND, LIKE THE ENTIRETY OF DISNEYLAND.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION MANPOWER, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THAT PRISON.
I DON'T WANT ICE IN OUR COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE SMALL CAMPING I'M SCOOPING RIGHT UP. I'M SCARED OF THAT.
I DON'T WANT CONSTRUCTION WORKER. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M SCARED FOR WHAT THIS ENTAILS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND I DO NOT SUPPORT IT.
>>THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
>> I DIDN'T ROLL THE R ENOUGH.
>> YEAH, MY NAME IS HENRY TREJO.
I RESIDE AT 814 EAST JONE PLACE, TUCSON ARIZONA, 8579.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT.
I HAVE TWO FAMILY MEMBERS AT THE MARANA MILITARY CEMETERY.
MY BROTHER AND MY NEPHEW, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE MY GODSON ALSO OR WAS MY GODSON.
THE FIRST TIME I CAME TO THE CEMETERY, I THOUGHT,
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WELL, THIS PLACE IS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.BUT THEN AFTER A WHILE, THE THIRD TIME I CAME, I SAYS, MAN, THESE GUYS FINALLY GOT IT RIGHT.
THERE'S NO HOMELESS, THERE'S NO VANDALISM, NO HEAVY TRAFFIC, NO POLLUTION, NO NOISE.
THESE GUYS DID IT RIGHT, SO NOW WE HAVE RESPECT FOR VETERANS.
THIS IS WHAT VETERANS DESERVE.
AFTER GOING TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES, RISKING THEIR LIVES SO WE COULD BE HERE OR DISCUSSING DATA CENTERS.
IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE.
ANYWAY, I HEARD THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE ON ZOOM AND TALKING TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THIS DATA CENTER.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS, THOUSANDS THAT COME AND SEE THEIR FELLOW FAMILY MEMBERS HERE AT THE CEMETERY.
IT'S VERY EMOTIONAL WHEN YOU GO TO THAT CEMETERY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE A VETERAN AND YOU GO TO THE SERVICES THAT THEY GIVE OUT THERE.
IT'S HELD OUTSIDE, AND THEN YOU HEAR THE TAPS.
THE FINAL GOODBYE TO YOUR FELLOW VETERAN.
THAT IS VERY EMOTIONAL, ESPECIALLY TO ANOTHER VETERAN, NOT ONLY TO FAMILY MEMBERS.
TOO BAD THAT THIS FACILITY IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS AREA, BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOWS GREAT DISRESPECT FOR OUR VETERANS.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF BOMB DEALS RECENTLY, AND YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THESE VETERANS THE RESPECT THAT THEY NEED.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED US IN A LOT OF WAYS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR THE VETERANS.
CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO HAVE THEIR FELLOW MEMBER BURIED HERE AND THEY COME AND SEE ALL THIS POLLUTION, ALL THIS NOISE, THESE BUILDINGS? YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO DETER THEM, CHANGE THEIR MINDS GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE. THEY'RE BURIED THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN HONORED, AND WE HAVE TO HONOR THEM.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. MY FELLOW VETERANS NEED SUPPORT.
THEY CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
GUYS LIKE ME HAVE TO SPEAK TO THEM.
I THANK YOU FOR TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION AND I THINK MORE FAMILY MEMBERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE BURIED THERE AT THAT CEMETERY SO THEY CAN HAVE AN INPUT ON THIS.
I THINK IT'S TOO SOON TO DECIDE AND KEEP THESE FAMILY MEMBERS OUT OF THE CONVERSATION.
>> THANK YOU [APPLAUSE]. JOE PARSONS.
>> IT'S A LITTLE BIT SHORT FOR ME.
CHAIRMAN SHAY AND COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
I SEE THERE IS A LOT OF PASSION IN THE ROOM.
BUT, TERRY, I THINK I THINK IT'S GOING REALLY GOOD.
I'M LEARNING A LOT ABOUT DATA CENTERS I DIDN'T KNOW.
I COME FROM 13580 WEST KIRBY HUGHES ROAD.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF MARANA SINCE 1972.
WE ARE BUSINESS OWNERS IN MARANA.
WE EMPLOY ABOUT 50 PEOPLE AT OUR FABRICATION FACILITY, AND WE ALSO HAVE FARMS IN MARANA, WHERE WE WORK WITH CMID, SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING USED AND WE USE IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN.
I COME FROM A TIME WHEN MY FATHER IN LAW RETIRED AND GAVE ME A FAX MACHINE.
I DIDN'T THINK I NEEDED A FAX MACHINE, AND IT SAT ON OUR SHELF FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
THEN I REALIZED IF I WAS GOING TO COMMUNICATE AND I HAD TO USE A FAX MACHINE.
THEN CAME THE INTERNET AND EMAILS AND PEOPLE QUIT CALLING.
I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A COMPUTER ON MY DESK.
NOW I HAVE ONE WITH TWO SCREENS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THEM VERY GOOD.
MY KIDS COME IN AND HAVE TO HELP ME USE THEM.
BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.
I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM TONIGHT, AND HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CELL PHONE.
ANYBODY? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY.
I THINK PROGRESS IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE DATA CENTER SOMEWHERE.
THE NIMBI CROWD THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN MY BACKYARD.
WELL, THIS DATA CENTER IS KIND OF IN MY BACKYARD, PROBABLY CLOSER TO US THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
I REALLY RATHER HAVE BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAN A LOT OF ROOFTOPS BECAUSE AT LEAST AT BUSINESSES,
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THEY HAVE OPERATING HOURS.IT'S NOT 24/7 WITH CARS COMING AND GOING.
AS FAR AS THE WATER USE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER USE.
I JUST DOING SOME QUICK MATH ON MY CELL PHONE WITH A CALCULATOR.
A ACRE FOOT OF WATER IS AROUND 330,000 GALLONS.
I HAVE GRANDFATHERED WATER RIGHTS ON MY FARM OF ABOUT FIVE ACRE FEET OF WATER PER ACRE PER YEAR.
JUST A QUICK CALCULATION ON THE WATER THAT'S LEGALLY COULD BE USED ON THAT GROUND AT IRRIGATE IS 990 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR.
I THINK WE HAVE PLENTY OF WATER EVEN HAVE TO GO TO A WATER COOLED SYSTEM AND NOT EVEN GO OVER THE AMOUNT THAT COULD BE LEGALLY PULLED FROM THE AREA.
LET'S SEE. I GUESS LAST THING IS, IF IT'S NOT HERE, WHERE WOULD YOU GUYS WANT IT TO BE? I DON'T WANT IT IN INDIA OR CHINA WHERE IT'S NOT CONTROLLED.
IF NOT HERE, THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT IT, WHERE WOULD YOU WANT IT? YOU WANT IT IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S NEIGHBORHOOD? NOT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HARD WORK DONE, AND I THINK THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE HAS COVERED EVERYTHING THAT I SAW HAPPEN THAT WEREN'T GOOD UP IN THE CHANNELER, GILBERT AREA AND I CAN.
THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB HERE. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] I SAW ONE HAND RAISED.
>> I HAVE ADDITIONAL CARDS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> I SAW ONE HAND RAISED FOR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT DIDN'T HAVE A CELL PHONE AND THAT WAS BLAKE.
LET'S SEE. GLENDA AVALOS ON DECK IS DONNIE LONG VIVEK.
I CAN'T EVEN MARATHATHAN, AND SANDY BUCHARALI.
I APOLOGIZE FOR SLANDERING YOUR NAMES.
>> GOOD EVENING, ACTUALLY. MY NAME IS GLENDA AVALOS AND I AM A PIMA COUNTY RESIDENT.
I STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH ALL THE MARANA RESIDENTS HERE TONIGHT IN A POSITION TO THIS PROJECT.
MANY UNKNOWNS BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS.
UTILITIES ARE HIGH, FOOD COST IS HIGH.
WE ARE STRUGGLING TO PAY ALL, AND WATER IS SCARCE.
WE HAVE COEXISTED WITH DATA CENTERS, BUT NOT AT THIS LARGE OF SCALE.
THIS IS A MASSIVE LAND GRAB AND EXCHANGE OF WEALTH FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP AND IN ADDITION TO GROWING GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE.
NOW, I WANT TO ASK YOU ALL TODAY.
HOW CAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUSTIFY A TENFOLD REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF JOBS CREATED BY THESE, 600 ACRES COMPARED TO THE CURRENT PLAN.
THE PLAN THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS MAKE MARANA 2040.
WHY IS THE TOWN WILLING TO CONVERT 610 ACRES OF STRATEGIC EMPLOYMENT DESIGNATED LAND INTO A USE THAT BY THE APPLICANT'S OWN TRAFFIC STUDIES WILL FUNCTION WITH FEWER DAILY TRIPS, AND THEREFORE, FEWER JOBS THAN OFFICE MANUFACTURING OR LOGISTIC USE OF SIMILAR SIZES.
THE CURRENT EMPLOYMENT DESIGNATION FOR THE MAKE MARANA 2020 PLAN REFLECTS THAT THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPANTS AND THE TOWN SAID THEY WANTED THE AREA TO BE A PRIMIER JOB CORRIDOR, NOT JUST A SITE FOR LOW EMPLOYMENT, HIGH INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITIES.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WANT TO SAY WHATEVER FEES THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR BREAKING AGREEMENTS CANNOT COMPARE TO THE HARM THAT IT WILL CAUSE.
AIR COOLING WILL TAKE MORE ENERGY AND GENERATE THE ENERGY THAT IT NEEDS TO GENERATE, WILL CONSUME LARGER AMOUNTS OF WATER, AND WATER NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS A REGIONAL ISSUE.
TO SAY THAT THERE WAS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OF 10 AND BE SATISFIED WITH THAT IS AN INSULT TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S AN INSULT. [APPLAUSE] THE BIG QUESTION HERE IS AT THE COST OF WHAT? BECAUSE I HAVE A MINUTE LEFT, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ADD THESE POINTS.
THIS LAND SILL IS SAID TO DIRECTLY BENEFIT THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OF A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER.
WHAT HAS ALREADY [APPLAUSE] BEEN DONE TO MITIGATE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST?
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HOW WILL THE PLANNING COMMISSION ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE CASE AS IT GOES TO THE TOWN COUNCIL.DID THE LAND OWNER APPROACH TO SELL OR DID IT NOT? AT THE END IT SAYS, ONE MOSH POINT.
WHO EXACTLY IS FREEMONT PROPERTIES? WHO WHAT ESTABLISH ENTIRE FINANCINGS WITH THAT LLC? WHY IS THE LLC SO NEW AND WHY IS THERE STILL UNDER FOREIGN? ER NOT ARIZONA REGISTRATION? THIS WAS AN LLC CREATED IN JUNE 2025 IN DELAWARE LINKED TO BLUE OUT AND BILL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WORDS. MARANA KEITH.
>> YES, SIR. I DON'T HAVE TO PREPARE ANY FOR FORMAL REMARKS OR ANYTHING.
DO WE KNOW WHO'S COMING HERE? I KNOW ALL OF YOU KNOW, BUT ARE WE JUST BUILDING THIS LIKE THE BIG FACTORIES ON TANGERINE AT 10 WHERE WE'RE JUST HOPING THEY COME.
OR IS THERE ALREADY A COMPANY, AND YOU'RE JUST KEEPING IT FROM US.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? [APPLAUSE] IT SEEMS AS IF YOU'RE BEHOLDING TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE TAXPAYER AND THAT'S BS, PARDON MY LANGUAGE.
YOU GUYS GOT TO WORK ON OUR BEHALF.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE STAND USUALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY SIT.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY, THEY WANT IT.
BUT MOST OF US HERE, REGULAR TAXPAYERS WHO GET RIPPED OFF BY THE COUNTY AND OVER CHARGING PROPERTY TAXES EVERY YEAR.
OUR BILLS ARE GOING TO SKYROCKET.
WHETHER EVERYWHERE THIS GOES, THEY SKY ROCKET, NEVER LIKE GRAVITY.
IT'S A GUARANTEE. JUST A MATTER OF WHEN, 3, 5, 2 YEAR.
THAT THING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THAT ROAD, ARE WE PAYING FOR THAT? THAT ROADS FOR THE SOLE BENEFIT OF THE DATA CENTER, AND THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING CORPORATE WELFARE, BASICALLY.
THIS IS ALL CORPORATE WELFARE. THE WHOLE THING.
I UNDERSTAND MAYBE SOME OF YOU PROFIT FROM IT, YOU'RE BUREAUCRATS, POLITICIANS, WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW YOUR POSITION.
BUT JUST KNOW WHEN TWO OR THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, WHENEVER IT IS DOWN THE LINE, AND OUR UTILITIES SKYROCKET.
YOU'RE ALL GOING TO BE OUT OF A JOB, BECAUSE WE WILL RECALL THE ELECTION EVERYTHING.
WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF ALL OF YOU.
BECAUSE EVERY MONTH, YOU MAY THINK PEOPLE WILL JUST TAKE IT, BUT EVERY MONTH WHEN THEY SEE THAT UTILITY BILL, IT'S GOING TO BE OVER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ELECTIONS, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF ALL YOU AND FIRE ALL OF YOU BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING IT.
JUST KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU GO INTO THIS, WHATEVER MONEY YOU THINK YOU CAN GET OUT OF THIS, JUST KNOW, THE VOTERS GOING TO BE THERE DOWN THE ROAD, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF YOU. THANK YOU.
IS THERE VIVEK IN THE HOUSE? THANK YOU. I REFUSED TO SLANDER YOUR LAST NAME TWICE.
>> THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
I HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH BILL INFRASTRUCTURE SINCE SUMMER WHEN I FIRST STARTED OPPOSING THE PROJECT BLUE DATA CENTER OUT EAST JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PIMA COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS.
I'VE HEARD SOME WEIRD, BIZARRE, WILD TALKING POINTS FROM THEM, AND TONIGHT IS A DOOZY.
THEY WANT YOU TO CLAP FOR REDUCING THE CURRENT WATER USE BY 95% FOR A FARM.
I DON'T KNOW, BACK ME UP HERE. I'M NOT A FARMER.
I KNOW YOU HAD SOME FARMERS SPEAK BEFORE, BUT I THINK HOW IT WORKS IS YOU POUR WATER ON FARMLAND WITH SEED AND IT SPROUTS LIFE GIVING CROPS.
[APPLAUSE] WHY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GIVE CREDIT FOR THEM TO BUILD A SERVER BUILDING AND USE LESS WATER THAN A FARM.
WHY IS THAT A TALKING POINT [APPLAUSE]?
>> BELL HAS NOT COMPLETED A SINGLE DATA CENTER PROJECT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY EVER.
THEY DON'T HAVE A CUSTOMER FOR PROJECT BLUE.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THEY HAVE A CUSTOMER TONIGHT.
WHAT ARE THEY BUILDING? WHAT ARE THESE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS EVEN FOR? A GENTLEMAN BEFORE SAID WE'VE HAD DATA CENTER FOR DECADES, THAT'S VALID.
WE'VE BEEN USING THE INTERNET, WE'VE BEEN WATCHING NETFLIX.
WE'VE BEEN UPLOADING OUR CAT VIDEOS AND PHOTOS WITHOUT THESE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NEW.
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THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DESTROYING COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, POLLUTING THE AIR, POLLUTING THE WATER, DRAINING THE WATER, PUSHING EVERYONE'S POWER BILLS UP.IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY THE DATA CENTERS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOREVER.
BECAUSE THIS IS AN ENTIRELY NEW PHENOMENON WE'RE SEEING, AND IT'S SWEEPING ELECTIONS IN NEW JERSEY, GEORGIA, WE'RE NEXT.
IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ACC NEXT YEAR.
SPEAKING OF THE ACC, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AHEAD OF THEIR VOTE LAST WEEK, AND THE ACC'S PURVIEW IS ENTIRELY HOW DOES THIS AFFECT RATE PAYERS? I ASKED HER, LOOK, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AT EVERY DIFFERENT STAGE, THE BODY THAT'S VOTING HAS VOTED ON ONE NARROW SET OF THINGS.
WHETHER IT'S THE ZONING, WHETHER IT'S THE LAND USE, WHETHER IT'S THE WATER USE, AND FOR THE ACC, IT'S THE ENERGY.
WHO IS HOLDING THE HOLE FOR US? BECAUSE WE HAVE CORPORATIONS THAT COME IN, AND THEY'RE HOLDING THE HOLE FOR THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT FROM US.
WHAT THEY WANT IS TO JUST EXACERBATE THE VAST DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH UP THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WHO IS HOLDING THE HOLE FOR US? SHE SAID, PLANNING AND ZONING.
NOW, I KNOW THAT'S A LOT FOR YOU TO HEAR, BUT THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS, AND EVERYONE'S GOING TO LOOK TO YOU.
ARE YOU GOING TO COME THROUGH FOR YOUR COMMUNITY OR NOT? THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THEN I HAVE MELISSA GARCIA, AMY.
I CAN'T READ THE HANDWRITING IN THERE.
GILBERY, ON DECK AND JACKIE COOK ON DECK.
>> GOOD EVENING. WELL SUSIE DIDN'T COME UP, SO I TOOK HER PLACE.
GOOD EVENING, FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I LIVE AT 13432 NORTH LAURA ELLEN LANE, HERE IN MARANA, ARIZONA.
I AM HERE BECAUSE I GENERALLY FIND MARANA TO BE MY HOME, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT IS CURRENTLY AT STAKE.
I HOLD A BOUCHER'S DEGREE IN PUBLIC HEALTH, AND I'M COMPLETING MY MASTER'S IN PUBLIC HEALTH.
THERE IS WHERE I STUDY THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND HOW THEY AFFECT COMMUNITY HEALTH.
I'VE ALSO WORKED WITH THE BRISA CENTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE EPA REGION 9, WHICH INCLUDES ARIZONA, WHERE I SEE FIRSTHAND THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES COMMUNITIES FACE WHEN INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ENOUGH INFORMATION, CONSIDERATION OR TRANSPARENCY.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT AGAINST ANY DEVELOPMENT, AND I CANNOT DENY OUR SOCIETY'S RELIANCE ON DATA CENTERS.
MY CONCERN, HOWEVER, IS THAT THE RISKS, TRADE OFFS, AND LONG TERM IMPACTS OF THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT HAVE NOT BEEN FULLY COMMUNICATED OR CONSIDERED IN A WAY THAT PRIORITIZES COMMUNITY WELL BEING OVER THE ILLUSION OF PROFIT.
MY FIRST CONCERN IS AIR QUALITY.
RESEARCH FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL DATA AND GOVERNANCE INITIATIVE AND UC RIVERSIDE SHOWS THAT NEIGHBORHOODS NEAR DATA CENTERS OFTEN EXPERIENCE INCREASED LEVELS OF POLLUTANTS LIKE NO_2 AND PARTICULATE MATTER 2.5, RELEASED FROM THESE CENTERS.
THESE POLLUTANTS ARE DIRECTLY LINKED TO ASTHMA, HEART DISEASE, AND CANCER.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THIS ROOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THESE DISEASES?
>> I DIDN'T THINK SO. YEAH. WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE DISEASES AND WILL ONLY SUFFER MORE.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE MEDICAL BILLS, AND INEVITABLY THE FUNERALS? WILL YOU ATTEND THOSE FUNERALS, AND WILL YOU BURY US, TOO? ANOTHER CONCERN IS WATER AND ENERGY USE.
LARGE DATA CENTERS CAN USE FROM 1-5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY DURING EXTREME HEAT.
HERE IN MARANA, WE ARE NO STRANGERS TO EXTREME HEAT.
EVEN AIR COOLED SYSTEMS REQUIRE WATER DURING HEAT SPIKES AND RELY ON MASSIVE HVAC SYSTEMS THAT GENERATE HEAT, NOISE, AND HEAVY STRAIN ON THE POWER GRID.
IN SEVERAL STATES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES NEEDED TO SUPPORT THESE FACILITIES HAVE RESULTED IN HIGHER UTILITY BILLS FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS.
THAT IS THE COST THAT THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES TO KNOW.
YES, THERE IS PROOF OF SUFFICIENT RESOURCES THAT EXIST FOR THE CENTER, BUT NOT THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.
AS MENTIONED, ECONOMICALLY, THE REALITY IS LESS PROMISING THAN IT APPEARS.
DATA CENTERS GENERATE VERY FEW LONG TERM JOBS, USUALLY FEWER THAN 50,
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AND MANY REQUIRE SPECIALIZED TRAININGS.HOW MANY ENGINEERS ARE IN GLADDEN FARMS? MAYBE ONE, TWO. NOT VERY MANY.
THE PROJECTED TAX BENEFITS ARE OFTEN OFFSET BY THE INCENTIVES GIVEN TO THE CORPORATION, WHILE RESIDENTS BEAR THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND INFRASTRUCTURAL COSTS.
CARRIE SAID IT EARLIER TODAY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM?
>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JORDAN O. GREG, AND JULIE PRINCE.
>> HI. MY NAME IS AMY GIBBERY.
I DO ADMIT THAT MY HANDWRITING IS VERY POOR.
[LAUGHTER] BUT I APPRECIATE BEING HERE, CHAIRMAN, AND THE CHANCE TO SPEAK, COMMISSIONERS.
I DO HOPE THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONVINCE YOU, PERSUADE YOU FOR SOME OF THESE AND WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE REALLY STRONG OBJECTIONS OR CONCERNS.
I COACH IN MY WORKING LIFE, I WORK IN RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT WITH WORLD RENOWNED RESEARCHERS, SCHOLARS, AND EARLY CAREER SCIENTISTS WHO STUDY HEALTH SCIENCES, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH RISKS FOR THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, AND I HELP THEM GET MONEY TO PREVENT THOSE THINGS SO THEY CAN DO RESEARCH AND SOLVE THOSE PRESSING ISSUES.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, AS MANY OF THE FOLKS HERE HAVE MENTIONED.
I SUPPORT SMART, WELL PLANNED ECONOMIC INVESTMENT, AS MANY PEOPLE HERE DO.
BUT THE 600 ACRE DATA CENTER IS NOT THAT.
IT'S NOT REALLY JUST A PROJECT ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN.
IT IS THE SIZE OF DISNEYLAND. THANK YOU, BLAKE.
IT'S THE ENTIRE SIZE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA CAMPUS.
IT'S A FULL INDUSTRIAL MEGA COMPLEX.
DEVELOPERS CLAIMED IT WILL BE AIR COOLED.
BUT THE SAME COMPANY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED A WATER COOLED VERSION IN TUCSON REQUIRING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF DRINKING WATER PER YEAR.
TUCSON REJECTED THAT PLAN, AND NOW IT'S BEEN REBRANDED, SO TO SPEAK.
I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S REALLY TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION, OR IS IT REALLY EVIDENCE OF REGULATORY MANEUVERING.
IT REQUIRES MORE INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION.
OUR REGION RECORDED 112 DAYS ABOVE 100 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT AND SEVEN DAYS ABOVE 110 DEGREES IN 2004.
DATA CENTERS DON'T SLOW DOWN IN NOVEMBER, THEY MUST REMAIN COOL 24 HOURS A DAY, 365 DAYS A YEAR, INCLUDING THE HOTTEST DAYS OF THE YEAR EVERY YEAR.
A LARGE DATA CENTER USES MASSIVE ELECTRIC POWER, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES.
THAT IS THE SIZE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF ELECTRICAL POWER AND STRAINED.
SORRY, I WAS PUTTING MY TIME ON.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE HAVE MONSOONS AND HEAT WAVES.
>> WE WANT TO PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND LAND.
>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] JACKIE COOK.
JORDAN YOU'RE ON DECK AND JULIE PRINCE IS ON DECK.
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>> HI, GOOD EVENING. I'M JACKIE COOK.
I LIVE IN 8323 NORTH CANYON ROAD.
I AM AGAINST THE DATA CENTERS.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY, SINCE AIR COOL DATA CONSUMES SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ELECTRICITY IN DESERT CLIMATES, HOW MUCH STRAIN WILL THIS PLACE ON THE LOCAL GRID, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK HEAT DURING THE SUMMER? I WANT TO KNOW A PORTION OF THE FACILITY'S MASSIVE ELECTRICAL DEMAND WILL BE PASSED ONTO RESIDENTS THROUGH INCREASED UTILITY RATES.
HOW DOES THE CITY PLAN TO GUARANTEE RESIDENTS ARE NOT FORCED TO SUBSIDIZE THE POWER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED FOR THIS FACILITY? HOW DOES THE CITY JUSTIFY ADDITIONAL HEAT, NOISE, AND POLLUTION A COMMUNITY ALREADY EXPERIENCING RISING DESERT TEMPERATURES? WHAT MEASURABLE BENEFITS DO LOCAL RESIDENTS RECEIVE THAT OUTWEIGH THE SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL BURDENS? FOR A 600-ACRE AREA FOR 100 JOBS, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
TWO HUNDRED OF THOSE ARE ONLY MANUAL LOW PAYING JOBS PER WHAT YOU'VE STATED.
I BASED ON WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID AND OTHER RESEARCH, OTHER DATA CENTERS ACTUALLY DON'T EMPLOY THAT HIGH LEVEL OF INDIVIDUALS, EITHER.
DO WE HAVE GUARANTEES THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL HOLD THAT MANY PEOPLE IN FOR JOBS.
I KNOW THAT'S A BIG THING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR THE DATA CENTER SEEM TO BE OLDER.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE, BUT BOOMERS.
YOU GUYS HAVE ACTUALLY PUT US IN THE HOUSING STRAIN THAT WE ARE IN NOW, AND A LOT OF THE RECENT ECONOMY IS THE WAY IT IS.
[APPLAUSE] THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE GENERATIONS, NOT YOURSELF AND YOUR WEALTH.
IT'S A GOOD THING I GOT FIVE GRANDDAUGHTERS.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS FOR HAVING ME HERE.
HOLD ON, I'M A LITTLE TALL. IS THAT BETTER?
>> I AM NOT FROM MARANA, I'M FROM TUCSON, BUT I HAVE NIECES AND NEPHEWS HERE, AND I DO CARE ABOUT THEM VERY MUCH. IN FACT, I LOVE THEM.
ALSO, MY FATHER IN LAW IS BURIED AT THE CEMETERY AS WELL.
HERE'S THE THING REAL QUICK BEFORE I GET INTO MY LLC SPEECH.
YOU GUYS MENTIONED CLOSED LOOP AND THEN AIR COOLED.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS? AIR COOLED CLOSED LOOP WOULD HAVE A MEDIUM OF WATER.
THEY ARE QUITE CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM.
IN FACT, I KNOW THAT WE HAD A RANCHER OVER HERE, AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF RANCHERS BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT YOU GUYS, TOO.
HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT THERE BEING FOREIGN DATA CENTER SOMEWHERE AND BEING HOUSED AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT IN REALITY, A LOT OF THE INVESTORS ARE FOREIGN, LIKE SAUDI ARABIA, FOREIGN.
[APPLAUSE] I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW JUST HAVING A DATA CENTER HERE PROMOTES SECURITY? SECURITY IS IMPORTANT.
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT I ALSO WORRY ABOUT THE GROUNDWATER ITSELF.
BECAUSE IF WE HAVE RUNOFF, WHICH WOULD BE FROM THIS PROPOSED SYSTEM, THEN IT GOES INTO OUR AQUIFERS, THEREFORE CONTAMINATING IT.
THEREFORE, POTENTIALLY HAVING THESE CANCERS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DATA CENTERS, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT EVERYONE THAT'S ON A WELL OR AN IRRIGATION.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM WHEN THEIR OWN WATER BASINS ARE CONTAMINATED WITH THIS STUFF? [APPLAUSE] I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S BEHIND THE LLCS.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN A QUESTION, NOT JUST ONCE, NOT TWICE, BUT PROBABLY A MILLION TIMES.
HUMPHREY PEAKS HOLDINGS, HUMPHREY PEAKS TWO, HUMPHREY PEAKS TECH HOLDINGS, HUMPHREY PEAKS HOLDINGS FOREIGN REGISTRATION.
FREMONT PEAK HOLDINGS, AND THEN FREMONT PEAK HOLDINGS FOREIGN REGISTRATION.
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ALL DONE IN DELAWARE ON PURPOSE BY THE SAME COMPANY THAT SET UP THE LAST ONES.WHO'S BEHIND THEM? DO YOU GUYS KNOW? DO YOU HAVE NDAS TELLING YOU THAT YOU CAN'T TELL US WHO IT IS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR TOWNS ARE SAFE, ESPECIALLY IF DATA IS GOING TO BE USED.
THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. ANYBODY?
WE'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS WHEN WE GET THE EXPERTS UP HERE.
>> LANCE IRWIN'S ON DECK AFTER RANDY GUYAN.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JULIE PRINCE, 8254 WEST LAPS MOON LANE, MARANA, CONTINENTAL RANCH.
FIRST OFF, I WANT TO POINT OUT, AS WAS JUST CLARIFIED THAT THE DATA CENTERS MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, AND IT'S 247365.
I DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN THE VETERANS CEMETERY.
HOWEVER, I DO RESPECT PEOPLE THAT DO GO THERE TO HONOR THEIR LOVED ONES AND WHATNOT.
THE NOISE WOULD VERY DISRESPECTFUL AND VERY LOUD, AND THERE WOULD BE NO STOPPING IT.
THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT YOU ALL ARE APPOINTED BY THE TOWN OF MARANA COUNCIL.
TOWN OF MARANA COUNCIL, FIVE MEMBERS ARE UP FOR REELECTION NEXT YEAR, EXCEPT MISS ZIEGLER AND MR. CAVANAUGH.
THERE'S THAT [LAUGHTER] THERE IT IS.
>> I'M GLAD THAT WE VOLUNTEERED BECAUSE NO ONE GETS PAID BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HELP SHAPE THE COMMUNITY.
>> BUT ACCORDING TO RULES AND REGULATIONS, IT SAYS THAT YOU ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL.
I JUST READ THE DOCUMENTATION.
I RESEARCHED THIS IN 2014, SEAMD TAX IS ASSESSED BY THE CORTARO MARANA IRRIGATION DISTRICT FOR WHICH YOU ARE LEVIED, IF YOU LIVE IN CONTINENTAL RANCH BACK IN 2014, $69 PER ACRE OR PERCENTAGE OF AN ACRE ON YOUR PROPERTY TAXES EACH YEAR, ALL OF US.
SEAMD HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1919 AND SERVICES APPROXIMATELY 70 IRRIGATION CUSTOMERS.
BEFORE CONTINENTAL RANCH WAS FIRST DEVELOPED, THE AREA WAS FARMLAND OWNED BY LETTUCE GROWER BUD ANTLE.
MR. ANGEL USED THE SERVICES OF SEAMD TO WATER HIS FIELDS, NO DOUBT, BUT IT'S QUITE DISTURBING THAT OVER 90% OF CRCA, ON RANCH COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS THE BUSINESSES AT THE ARIZONA PAVILIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE SEAMD WATER DISTRICT FOR TAX PURPOSES.
IN ESSENCE, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH OUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP, SINCE A LOT OF THE SEAMD WATER IS WHAT THE NON-POTABLE WATER, I BELIEVE, THAT WILL BE USED FOR THIS PROJECT.
ALL OUR PROPERTY TAXES WILL GO UP ALONG WITH OUR ELECTRICITY AND PROBABLY OUR WATER.
>> THANK YOU [APPLAUSE] RANDY GUYAN.
>> CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. I'M RANDY GUYAN.
I LIVE IN MARANA. JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
I OPPOSE THE DATA CENTER, AS MANY OF THE RESIDENTS OF MARANA DO.
I WOULD QUESTION THE THIRD PARTY ANALYSIS, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
QUESTION. [APPLAUSE] QUESTION WHO THAT THIRD PARTY IS THAT PRODUCED THAT STUDY AND LOOK AT THE FACTS.
THIS DATA CENTER WILL NOT BE MANAGED LOCALLY.
ALL THE HIGH PAYING JOBS WILL BE IN SILICON VALLEY, AUSTIN, TEXAS, VIRGINIA.
THEY WILL NOT BE HERE IN MARANA.
THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT'S BEING USED OR WILL BE USED TO PROPOSE FOR THESE DATA CENTERS IS ENORMOUS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENOUGH POWER FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES, CORRECT?
>> WHERE IS THIS POWER GOING TO COME FROM? WHO'S GOING TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE A FAIRY TALE TO ME TO BELIEVE THAT WE COULD POWER THE DATA CENTERS.
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WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE OR THAT WE COULD BUILD WITHOUT THE CITIZENS OF MARANA PAYING FOR IT.WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES? TECHNOLOGY ALWAYS CHANGES. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ABOUT 5,500 DATA CENTERS IN THE UNITED STATES.
OPEN AI IS SPENDING $1 TRILLION BETWEEN NOW AND 2030. $1 TRILLION.
THEY WERE JUST A LEAPFROGGED BY GOOGLE, GOOGLE'S GEMINI, OPEN AI BUILT CHATGPT.
THEY LEAPFROG BY GOOGLE, AND CHINA'S DEEPSEEK BUILT A CHATGPT EQUIVALENT FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE THAT OPEN AI WILL BE LIKELY BANKRUPT BY 2030.
WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS BEING BUILT TO SUPPORT THIS AI PROMISE? FINALLY, WHAT IS THE VALUE TO MARANA CITIZENS? WHO BENEFITS? WHO BENEFITS FROM DATA CENTERS? THE HYPERSCALERS DO, OPEN AI, GOOGLE, AMAZON, MICROSOFT, VIDA, THE OTHER HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS, ESSENTIALLY BILLIONAIRES.
AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED, THERE AREN'T ANY DATA CENTERS IN THE BACKYARDS OF MARK ZUCKERBERG, SAM ALTMAN, ELON MUSK, JEFF BEZOS? WHY MARANA? IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A DATA CENTER IN MARANA, ASK FOR $1 BILLION.
I'M SERIOUS. ASK THEM FOR $1 BILLION.
>> THANK YOU [APPLAUSE] LANCER, AND RENEE PETERS AND LINDA CORONADO? WE'LL BE ON DECK.
>> HELLO, I'M LANCER, WHEN I LIVE AT 36,975 SOUTH ESTANCIA DRIVE.
THAT'S RIGHT OFF A MISSILE BASE ROAD THERE.
DID YOU ALL KNOW THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT IN A SOLAR FARM DATA BATTERY CENTER RIGHT OFF OF MARY LYNN, ALSO? WHERE'S THIS GOING TO STOP? RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THAT PLANNED STRUCTURE, OUR RESIDENTS.
NOT ONLY THAT, THERE ARE MEN THAT RUN THEIR CATTLE OFF THAT WAY.
I COME FROM A FAMILY OF RANCHERS AND FARMERS.
WHAT IF THERE'S A FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YOU KNOW HOW THE WINDS BLOW OUT HERE.
THAT'S GOING TO CONTAMINATE ALL OUR LIVESTOCK.
MY FAMILY HAS COME OUT HERE SINCE THE EARLY 1800S, IN AND OUT, LONG TIME, SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, NOT ALWAYS FOR THE BEST.
IF THERE'S LIKE A FIRE OR SOMETHING WITH THOSE BATTERIES AND ALL THAT, ALL THAT POLLUTION, YOU'VE GOT THE CAP THAT RUNS RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S GOING TO CONTAMINATE THAT WATER.
YOU GOT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I UNDERSTAND WHY A LOT OF SOME PEOPLE UP HERE WANT IT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF US ARE GOING TO BENEFIT, LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WHO'S BENEFITING OFF OF THIS? WHERE'S THE MONEY GO? EVERYBODY FOLLOW THE MONEY, I'M DEFINITELY OPPOSED AGAINST IT.
WE HAVE FAMILIES OUT THERE IN THE MISSILE BASED COMMUNITY THAT MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS AGAINST THIS, AGAINST THE ONE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT OUT BY US OFF OF MARYLAND.
THAT'S ONLY PROBABLY ABOUT 2-3 MILES AS A CROW FLIES FROM THESE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN.
LIKE I SAID, WHERE IS THIS GOING TO STOP? WE'RE ALREADY SEEING A LOT OF THE FARMING TRACTS OF LAND GET EATEN UP BY HOMES, WHICH IS A SHAME.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GROWTH, BUT YOU GOT TO DO IT SMART.
JUST LET YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT IN ANOTHER ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN ONE RIGHT IN THERE. WHERE IS IT GOING TO STOP?[APPLAUSE]
>> THANK YOU.[APPLAUSE] RENEE PETERS.
I AM A CURRENT STUDENT AT PLA.
I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON THE MARANA 2040 PLAN.
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I'M IN PLANNING CLASSES.I KNOW YOU GUYS TAKE YOUR JOBS SERIOUSLY.
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT GOOD PLANNING CAN GENUINELY LIFT COMMUNITIES.
WITH THAT, I'M ALSO PRO DEVELOPMENT.
WHY RISK YOUR HARD WORK, CHANGING THESE PLANS TO BENEFIT BILLIONAIRES AND NOT MARANA CITIZENS? I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THESE REZONINGS COULD LOCK US INTO.
THE OUTCOMES OTHER TOWNS ARE ALREADY REGRETTING.
THE DEVELOPER CLAIMS AT THIS DATA CENTER WILL BRING HIGH QUALITY JOBS AND POSITION THE TOWN AS AN EMPLOYMENT HUB.
THEY CLAIM 400 JOBS, BUT MOST HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS OPERATE WITH ONLY A FEW DOZEN TO 100/MINUTE STAFF PER CAMPUS.
INDUSTRY DATA AND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL CONFIRM THIS THAT DATA CENTERS ARE AMONG THE LOWEST EMPLOYMENT DENSITIES IN AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT.
THIS LAND IN QUESTION IS TWICE AS BIG AS THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA'S ENTIRE CAMPUS.
WHY TRADE IN SUCH LARGE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR SO FEW JOBS? WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN SHOWS SO MUCH BETTER POTENTIAL HERE.
BEAL HAS A HISTORY OF LYING ON THE RECORD, AND SINCE THEY HAVE NO OPERATIONAL DATA CENTERS TO POINT TO AS A PRECEDENT, I BELIEVE THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
I'LL ALSO BELIEVE THEIR OWN TRAFFIC STUDIES, WHICH THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES SUBMITTED.
THESE ALSO TELL US THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PERMANENT JOB OUTLOOK.
PER THE STUDIES, THE DATA CENTER IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE ABOUT 15 TIMES LESS VISITORS IN AN OFFICE BUILDING, FIVE TIMES LESS THAN MANUFACTURING OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES, AND 11 TIMES LESS THAN R&D COMPLEXES.
MARANA'S GENERAL PLAN CALLS FOR EMPLOYMENT USES IN THIS AREA, BUT THESE DATA CENTERS WILL NOT DELIVER THE COMMUNITY JOBS THAT WERE PROMISED TO US, AND THEIR OWN MODELING PROVES IT.
THEY WILL ALSO HARM MARANA'S ECONOMIC FUTURE IN OTHER WAYS, SUCH AS WE SEE IN VIRGINIA, WHERE ONE DATA CENTER DROVE DOWN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY VALUES BY 7% IN ONE YEAR.
WHAT ABOUT THE FARMERS IN THE AREA? DID THEIR PROPERTY VALUES NOT MATTER? MAYBE THIS IS WHY NONE OF THE CEOS IN FAVOR OF THIS TODAY WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO THIS CENTER, AND NEITHER DO THE REMOTE EMPLOYEES THAT THEY'LL HIRE OUT OF STATE TO WORK THERE.
[APPLAUSE]COMMISSIONERS, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE ZONING TONIGHT BASED ON FALSE JOB NUMBERS AMONG A SLEW OF OTHER GREENWASH PROMISES.
MARANA HAS NEVER REGULATED A DATA CENTER AND WORSE, BEAL HAS NEVER BUILT ONE.
I'M ASKING YOU TO REJECT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO REJECT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I'M ASKING YOU TO APPLY THE SAME DUE DILIGENCE YOU WOULD TO ANY MAJOR INVESTMENT.
WHERE ARE THE BINDING COMMITMENTS ON PERMANENT JOBS? WHY ISN'T THE FISCAL ANALYSIS TRANSPARENT IN ITS WORK? WHERE IS BEAL'S DEMONSTRATED SUCCESS IN A COMPARABLE COMMUNITY? WHY IS ONE VIRTUAL MEETING WITH TEN PEOPLE ENOUGH TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? YOU'VE HEARD FROM FAR MORE OF US TODAY THAT WE DO NOT WANT THIS.
WHAT ABOUT THE MARANA PUMPKIN PATCH LESS THAN A MILE AWAY FROM THE SITE?
>> THANK YOU [APPLAUSE] LINDA CORONADO.
ON DECK IS MIRIAM C ROBEL ROB SOTO.
CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS, APPRECIATE IT.
WELL, NO, THAT MIGHT JUST GO ON ITS OWN.
MY ADDRESS IS 12535 NORTH CRISTA AVENUE.
I'M IN GLADDEN FARMS. I AM A FIRST TIME HOMEOWNER IN GLADDEN FARMS FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK DATA CENTERS ARE AN EYESORE ASSOCIATED WITH COMMUNITIES, TOO POOR OR TOO STRAINED TO PROPERLY ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES, OR WORSE, BEING GIVEN THE PROMISE OF PROGRESS AND SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCE OF RESOURCE USE, NOISE, POLLUTION, AND TECH WASTE.
THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION OF SOMEONE WHO BOUGHT A HOME IN GLADDEN LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO START A FAMILY.
I'M ALSO A PROFESSIONAL WORKING IN TECH FOR ONE OF THE AI FOCUSED MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, WHICH WE LOVINGLY REFERRED TO AS MANGO.
AS A PROFESSIONAL, I AGREE THAT DATA CENTERS ARE NOT NEW.
WE HAVE EXAMPLES FROM OVER THE PAST DECADE AND MORE OF DATA CENTERS.
THAT HISTORY HAS SHOWN US THE HARMS THEY BRING TO COMMUNITIES.
THE PROJECT PROPOSER PROPOSES, WHICH APOLOGIES FOR THE WORD USE THERE DOUBLE PROPOSE, THAT THESE ARE MISTAKES OF THE PAST THAT HAVE BEEN LEARNED FROM, BUT THEY ARE CONSEQUENCES ASSOCIATED WITH ALMOST EVERY DATA CENTER COMMUNITY ON RECORD IN SOME WAY.
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I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL, AS A PROFESSIONAL TO ECHO A PREVIOUS SPEAKER THAT THE DEMAND FOR POWER CREATED BY THE RACE FOR AI IS INCREDIBLY NEW AND NEARLY UNPRECEDENTED.FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MEGAWATTS TO 750 MEGAWATTS OF POWER REPRESENTS AN ENORMOUS STRAIN ON ANY GRID, EVEN AN IMPROVED ONE.
IN THE WORLD OF SOFTWARE IS A SERVICE WHERE I WORK, AND OTHER PRODUCTS THAT LEVERAGE DATA CENTERS BEING ONLINE, 99.999% OF THE TIME IS OF THE MOST IMPORTANCE.
THE FIVE NINES, IS WHAT WE CALL IT, IS A GOLD STANDARD, AND A PROMISE THAT OFTEN COMPANIES PAY EXORBITANT FEES WENT DOWN.
DATA CENTERS, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN FUNCTIONALITY, HAVE VERY IMPORTANT BACKUP GENERATORS ON SITE THAT ASSURE THAT THEY STAY ON THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME.
THESE BACKUP CENTERS ARE NOT UNDER THE SAME REGULATIONS AS POWER COMPANIES LIKE TEP.
THE POWER GENERATED BY THOSE CENTERS PRODUCES MASSIVE AMOUNTS.
I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE SEVEN TIMES THE AMOUNT OF NITROUS OXIDES COMPARED TO TEP POWER FOR THE SAME PRODUCTIVITY.
I WOULD BACKUP POWER GENERATORS ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR PLACES LIKE HOSPITALS WHERE YOU HAVE LIFESAVING CARE THAT IS INCREDIBLY TIME SENSITIVE.
BACKUP POWER GENERATORS RELYING ON NITROUS OXIDES THAT HAVE DEVASTATING HEALTH CONSEQUENCES, AS WE'VE HEARD ABOUT TO THE TUNE OF CARDIOVASCULAR IMPACTS, BREATHING IMPACTS, LONG TERM.
I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE 250 MILLION FOR LOUISIANA RESIDENTS, BUT THAT'S JUST OUT OF MY HAT.
THAT IS NOT AN EMERGENCY, EVEN THOUGH TECH WILL TELL YOU IT IS.
I WAS DRAWN TO GLADDEN FARMS BY THE PROMISE OF CLEAR SKIES, DARK NIGHTS, CLEAN AIR, AND A COMMUNITY THAT PROMOTED SAFETY AND RESIDENT FIRST PLANNING.
WITH PLANS LIKE MARANA 2040 AND EVENTS LIKE MARANA DAYS.
>> THANK YOU. I WASN'T PLANNING TO SPEAK, SO I JUST WROTE DOWN SOME NOTES QUICKLY.
I GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA.
MY PARTNER WORKS IN CONSTRUCTION.
BUT SOME OF THE FIRST BULLETS ON THE SLIDE SAYS, IS A STRATEGIC LOCATION.
DO YOU GUYS FEEL WARM? BECAUSE THIS IS HOW MY HOUSE FEELS IN THE SUMMER? BECAUSE I PARTICIPATE IN THE CONSERVATION EVENT FROM MY ELECTRIC COMPANY? I AM A CONSUMER OF TP, AND EVEN THOUGH MY HOUSE FEELS LIKE THIS, AND I HAVE CEILING FANS, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO PRESERVE ENERGY, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO NOT POLLUTE THE ENVIRONMENT.
I CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. I CAN PAY THE BILL.
MY BILL IS $450 A MONTH, EVEN THOUGH MY HOUSE FEELS LIKE THIS.
SO STRATEGIC LOCATION, A DESERT? DO YOU WANT TO COME AND PUT MORE HEAT IN THE DESERT? REALLY? LIKE, DO YOU LIVE HERE? NO, YOU DON'T.
[APPLAUSE] SO SORRY. WANT TO GET OUT.
THEY CLAIM TO BE USING THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY GIVING US ANY DETAIL OF WHAT TECHNOLOGY THEY'RE GOING TO USE TO PRODUCE THIS POWER.
I'VE BEEN CLOSELY PAYING ATTENTION TO PROJECT BLUE, AND I WATCHED THE LIVE ACC MEETING THE LIVE CAST ONLINE BECAUSE LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AGO, IT WAS DISCUSSED IN PHOENIX, AND NOT ALL OF US COULD SHOW UP IN PHOENIX WHILE WE'RE WORKING FULL TIME JOBS.
BUT I INVITE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TO WATCH THE REPLAY OF THAT.
ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE ASK THE TEP PERSON, WHO PAYS FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COST, NOT ONLY TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ALSO, LIKE, TO PRODUCE THE ELECTRICITY? IT WAS CLEAR IN THE MEETING THE CUSTOMER PAYS FOR THIS, AND THEY SAID IT OUT LOUD IN THAT MEETING.
SO I INVITE EVERYBODY TO GO AND WATCH IT BECAUSE I CANNOT STRESS THAT ENOUGH.
WE WOULD BE PAYING FOR ADDITIONAL COST TO THE ELECTRICITY.
I HAVE MORE POINTS, BUT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, NOT ONLY WE DON'T WANT TO PAY ONE SINGLE DOLLAR EXTRA.
NOT ONLY WE WANT THEM TO BUILD THE CORRECT INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE DON'T WANT NOISE POLLUTION.
WE DON'T WANT CARBON EMISSIONS.
WE DON'T WANT HEAT POLLUTIONS IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
I AM HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN, AS A MOTHER OF A ONE-YEAR-OLD BABY THAT IS GOING TO GROW UP IN THIS COMMUNITY.
MY FIVE-YEAR-OLD, WHEN WE GO WALKING ON THE STREET, SHE PICKS UP THE TRASH, AND SHE WALKS TWO BLOCKS HOLDING THE TRASH TO THROW IT IN THE TRASH CAN BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT TO POLLUTE THIS WORLD.
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WHAT ARE WE DOING TO THEIR FUTURE? [APPLAUSE]KELLY RU VERA IS ON DECK, AND CHRISTINA PEREZ CLOSES IT OUT.
>> HI, I'M SUSIE ACORD AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING EITHER.
I LIVE AT 9001, NORTH CLOVER WAY, AND CONTINENTAL RANCH.
TWO POINTS, I GUESS THAT I WANT TO MAKE OR QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ARE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PROJECT SQUARES UP WITH A POTENTIAL ICE FACILITY AND RESOURCES FOR THAT, AS WELL AS THE NEW MAIN STREET OR DOWNTOWN THAT MARANA IS GOING TO BUILD PLUS THE PLOTS OF LAND THAT ARE ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AS WELL AS EXPANSION OF THE AIRPORT.
JUST HOW ALL OF THIS COMES TOGETHER AND STILL SUPPORTS MARANA'S HERITAGE OF AGRICULTURE.
SO THAT'S JUST A QUESTION THAT I HAVE.
ONE POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM TEP AND TRICO IS WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT WATER AND ELECTRICITY, ANY KIND OF POWER GENERATION, NOT ANY KIND, MOST KINDS OF POWER GENERATION DO REQUIRE WATER FOR COOLING, AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERATION AT THIS SCALE, I'M WONDERING ABOUT WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL WATER NEEDS ON THE POWER GENERATION? WHERE DOES THAT WATER COME FROM, AND THEN ALSO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE DATA CENTER IN TUCSON MOVES FORWARD, AND THE DATA CENTER IN MARANA MOVES FORWARD, AND THE DATA CENTER IN PINAL COUNTY MOVES FORWARD.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUPPORT THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND LIKE OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, THE SCALE OF ELECTRIC POWER GENERATION THAT'S NEEDED, IN THE SAME TIME FRAME.
WE'RE DOING ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM ALL AT ONCE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY ALL MOVE FORWARD?
>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] KELLY RIVERA.
>> HI. MY NAME IS KELLY RIVERA.
I'M A RESIDENT OF TUCSON JUST UP THE ROAD FROM HERE.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NEW JERSEY RIGHT OUTSIDE NEW YORK CITY, WENT TO SOME OF THE BEST SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY.
I HAVE A 15 YEAR CAREER IN RISK MANAGEMENT.
MY SPECIALTY WAS DEALING WITH TECH COMPANIES, ANYTHING FROM STARTUPS, ALL THE WAY UP TO MULTI BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS.
I HAVE A VERY DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORKINGS OF THESE COMPANIES, THE RISKS THAT THEY FACE, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THEY HAVE ON THE COMMUNITIES AROUND THEM.
READING THROUGH THIS PROPOSAL FROM BILL, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THE MORE I READ, THE MORE I FEEL, I'M JUST LOOKING AT SOMEBODY'S WISHLIST.
THIS DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A CONCRETE THOUGHT OUT PLAN.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT I'M SEEING IS BEST CASE SCENARIO.
WHAT THEY HOPE WILL BE THERE, WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR.
BUT I'M NOT HEARING ANY CONCRETE IDEAS AND CONCRETE REGULATIONS, ANY KIND OF OBLIGATIONS PLACED ON BILL TO MEET THESE PROMISES THAT THEY'RE MAKING.
I'M LOOKING AT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, DATA CENTER AFTER DATA CENTER, POLLUTING THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND THEM AND THE DEVASTATING EFFECTS THAT ARE GOING TO LAST FOR GENERATIONS, AND WE HAVE NOTHING ON THE BOOKS TO MITIGATE THAT.
NO WAY TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS AIR COOLED SYSTEM, WHICH, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, IS INEFFECTIVE, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH TEMPERATURE AREAS LIKE THE DESERT.
SO WHAT MECHANISM DOES MARANA HAVE IN THE FUTURE, WHEN, NOT IF, WHEN BILL SWITCHES TO A WATER BASED COOLING SYSTEM? WHAT MECHANISM IS THERE TO REGULATE THAT? DO THEY HAVE TO COME AND GET APPROVAL FOR THAT OR IS THAT JUST A BUSINESS DECISION THEY CAN MAKE, AND NOW WE ARE ALL STUCK WITH SOMETHING THEY PROMISED US WOULDN'T HAPPEN? I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO EVERYONE SITTING UP HERE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, ALL OF YOU ON ME, AS I SAY THIS: YOU WERE PUT HERE TO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS OF MARANA,
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[APPLAUSE] NOT NOT MULTI BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS, NOT BILLIONAIRES, NOT OUTSIDE INTERESTS.WHAT I'VE BEEN STRUCK BY HERE TONIGHT AS I'VE BEEN LISTENING IS THE OVERWHELMINGLY AUDIBLE SUPPORT FROM THE AUDIENCE TO EVERYONE WHO'S STANDING UP HERE AND SAYING, DON'T DO THIS.
[APPLAUSE] YOUR JOB, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, IS TO LISTEN TO WHAT THESE PEOPLE WANT, OR IN THIS CASE, WHAT THEY DON'T WANT.
>> CHRISTINA PEREZ, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE? NO?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT ON THIS ITEM A COUPLE [INAUDIBLE].
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS CHRISTINA PEREZ. I LIVE AT 17041 WEST GATLING IN ABER VALLEY.
I DRAW PIE TO MY EXPERIENCE AS A MANUFACTURING SCIENTIST SPECIALIZING IN SCALABILITY.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS PER THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN EVALUATION OF THE LONG TERM IMPACT TO EACH FACET OF THAT ORDINANCE, AND AT WHAT POINT THIS PROJECT WILL EXCEED THE LIMITS OF WHAT IS DEEMED SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT THIS CALIBER OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
TEN YEARS PASSES BY SO QUICKLY.
WHAT ABOUT THE 25 YEAR MARK AND THE 50 YEAR MARK? GROWTH IS EVIDENT DOWN THE STREET.
GLADDEN FARMS IS AN EXAMPLE OF FAMILIES WILLING TO THROW DOWN THEIR ROOTS, BUSINESSES LOOKING TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY.
I AM NOT AGAINST GROWTH, I AM AGAINST GROWTH THAT DOES NOT CONSIDER EXTENSIVE RISK MITIGATION ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY TO INCLUDE POTENTIAL PROPERTY TAX INCREASE AND INCLUDE THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, THEIR CHILDREN, AND ELDERS AND INCOME AS A PART OF THE SENSITIVE HABITATS.
CONTINGENCY PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED IN THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE.
HOW CAN YOU CONFIDENTLY AGREE THAT THERE WILL BE NO GENERATIONAL IMPACTS? ALL STATEMENTS MADE BY THE CITIZENS TONIGHT DEMONSTRATE THAT THE WORRY AND CONCERN TRANSCENDS GENERATIONS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO STATE AS A SIMPLE OBSERVATION, AS I STOOD IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, SOME OF THOSE WHO FIERCELY DEFEND THE DATA CENTER WALKED RIGHT OUT OF THIS ROOM DIRECTLY FROM THE PODIUM AFTER THEIR STATEMENT.
[APPLAUSE] AND I'M SURE THE SAME METAPHORICALLY WILL HAPPEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT THE DIRECT RECIPIENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE IMPACTING.
WITHOUT A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION GUARANTEEING THAT THOSE WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY WILL NOT INCUR THE COST FROM THIS PROJECT, AND THAT THERE ARE NO LONG TERM ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, CAN YOU CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN PROTECTED? AS I CLOSE, I REMIND YOU THE RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT SITTING ON THIS PANEL TODAY ON THIS VOLUNTEER ALSO ELECTED COUNCIL.
YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THIS COMMUNITY AND ITS INTERESTS, AND IF YOU HAVE A SHADOW OF THE DOUBT FROM ALL OF THE POINTS MADE TONIGHT, YOU MUST DECLINE THIS APPROVAL. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THAT.
PLEASE COME UP IF YOU FILLED OUT A CARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE, PLEASE.
>> HI THERE. MY NAME IS DEREK SPALLAS.
I LIVE IN 85704 IN TUCSON, ARIZONA.
I'LL MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN SAID TODAY.
I'M NOT AGAINST DATA CENTERS, I AM AGAINST THIS DATA CENTER.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A CASE OF BROKEN TRUST AND AN INABILITY TO TRUST BILL AND THEIR ASSOCIATES.
SO WE'VE ALL SEEN LAW AND ORDER, ONE OF THE VERSIONS, AND WE ALL SEE THAT ONE LAWYER OR THEY'RE READY TO GET THE CRIMINAL AND IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT THEN THE LAWYER COMES IN AND IT BECOMES A FIGHT BETWEEN WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S LEGAL, BECAUSE THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME.
WE HAVE SEEN THEM REPRESENT THEIR PORTFOLIO AND CHANGE THE NUMBERS, AND THE PROMISES DISAPPEAR.
WHEN THERE IS THESE GUARANTEES, THE GUARANTEES ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS OPPOSING COUNSEL CAN CHANGE THEM, AND SO THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEES.
ON THE RECORD AT THE RECENT ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION, AND JUST BY THE WAY, I AM AN ACCOUNTANT, AND I AM A CANDIDATE FOR THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION.
RECENTLY, BILL ADMITTED, ON THE RECORD, YOU CAN SEE THE RECORDING THAT DIESEL POWER GENERATION IS A CONSIDERATION UNDER THEIR CLEAN ENERGY PLAN, AND THERE IS NO DEFINITION OF EMERGENCY.
SO THEY CAN RUN IT WHENEVER THEY CAN HAVE A CONTINUOUS EMERGENCY.
LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THE MASSIVE JOB INVESTMENT, WHICH WAS PROMISED AND THEN RETRACTED WITH THE SAME PROJECT BLUE THAT THEY ORIGINALLY PROMISED A MAGICAL WATER MAKING MACHINE THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE IT WATER POSITIVE, BUT THEN CHANGED WHEN THEY WERE PRESSED FOR DETAILS
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ABOUT THIS MAGICAL MACHINE THAT WAS GOING TO SAVE US ALL.THEN THEY ALSO PROMISED THAT OUR RATES WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED.
BUT THE SAME DAY THAT THE COUNTY CLOSED ON THE LAND SALE FOR PROJECT BLUE, TEP PUT IN FOR A 14% RATE INCREASE AND HAVE PUT IN SO THEY CAN BYPASS THE ACC A RATE FORMULA SO THAT RATES WILL CONTINUALLY GO UP EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE THE DATA POINTS NATIONWIDE, AND BILL DOES NOT COMMIT THEY DESTROY.
DATA CENTERS ARE LARGELY AUTOMATED FACILITIES, WHERE THESE MAGICAL NUMBERS THAT BRING IN ALL THIS EMPLOYMENT ARE NOT TRUE.
WE ARE TOLD THAT WE MUST ACCEPT THE TRAFFIC DISRUPTIONS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, AND THE LONG TERM ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WITH NO RETURN.
THIS IS NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT IS EXPLOITATION DRESSED UP AS INNOVATION [APPLAUSE] AND DATA CENTERS ARE THE MOST RESOURCE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENTS IN A COMMUNITY.
I'LL JUST REPEAT, AT THE ACC COMMISSION, SO COMMISSIONER WALDEN, WHO I NORMALLY DON'T AGREE WITH, BROUGHT UP VERY GOOD POINTS.
THEY KEPT CLAIMING IT'S THE GOLD STANDARD OF CONTRACTS, BUT IT IS NOT.
INSTEAD OF HAVING MARANA SACRIFICE, LET'S DO OUR BEST NOT TO HARM OUR BUSINESSES, OUR CHILDREN, OUR CHURCHES.LET'S NOT UNDO THE HERITAGE OF HARD WORKING ARIZONAS WHO'VE PUT IN THE EFFORT TO BUILD LIVES AND FAMILIES AND LEGACIES HERE.
LET'S PRESERVE THE HERITAGE OF ARIZONA'S FIVE BIG CS, INSTEAD OF BREAKING TO SATISFY THE WHIM OF THESE OUT OF STATE LITTLE DS.
[APPLAUSE] AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
MR. ANGEL, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNTS OR THE COMMISSION?
>> CAN WE HEAR [INAUDIBLE] CLOSING IN HERE.
>> OH, YES. AN CLOSING REMARKS, MISS SILMAN?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IS OF THE COMMISSION, I ACTUALLY AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT THE PRESENTATION, AND SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU HEARD THAT YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS, I'M HAPPY TO.
>> COMMISSIONER MCINTYRE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> GO ON TO THE OTHERS, PLEASE, AND I'LL LET ME SEE IF I HAVE ANYTHING.
>> SURE, I'LL GO. IT'S BEEN ALLEGED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT BEALE HAS NEVER BUILT A DATA CENTER BEFORE.
WHAT'S THE STORY BEHIND THAT, PLEASE?
>> CHAIR SCHNEE AND COMMISSIONER BOWEN.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE IN THE PRESENTATION, BEALE IS MADE UP OF A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE INDUSTRY FOR DECADES? BEALE HAS A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT? THERE IS NOT ONE THAT IS A BEALE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTED DEVELOPMENT.
THAT IS TRUE. THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD IN A NUMBER OF OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
>> THERE'S BEEN A CHARGE ABOUT PARTICULATES RELEASED FROM DATA CENTERS THAT ARE AIR COOLED.
CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT?
>> YEAH, AND ARNO DOCHERTY CAN COME UP AS WELL AS NEEDED, BY CHAIR SCHNEE AND COMMISSIONER BOWEN, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT, AS THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO WORKED FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY NOTED, THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REGULATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH.
THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, THOSE WILL BE COMPLIED WITH.
WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC AIR QUALITY PARTICULATE INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THIS ENGINEERING.
BUT WE WILL BE COMPLYING WITH ALL OF THE REGULATORY.
THE DECISION THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TODAY IS THE LAND USE DECISION.
AGAIN, YOU GUYS GOT AHEAD OF IT.
YOU ADOPTED THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, AND WE ARE GOING TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE REGULATORILY THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> IF I COULD JUST INTERRUPT HERE FOR JUST A MINUTE.
>> IN THE BEGINNING, I LAID OUT SOME GROUND RULES.
I THINK WE'VE DONE A FABULOUS JOB, QUITE FRANKLY,
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KUDOS TO YOU FOR THE BETTER PART OF THIS MEETING.BUT WHAT I'M STARTING TO HEAR IS PEOPLE MAKING COMMENTS WHILE QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED AND WHILE THE SPEAKER IS SPEAKING.
QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL.
NOBODY WAS YELLING COMMENTS FROM THE CROWD WHILE OTHER SPEAKERS WERE UP HERE.
I EXPECT THAT WE'LL DO THE SAME NOW FROM THIS POINT GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ROAD THAT COULD BE BUILT, BUT I DON'T.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
>> SOME OF MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT ELECTRICITY PRICES GOING UP.
IF THERE'S A SHORTAGE, ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE IT FROM THE HOMES AND GO TO THAT CENTER? HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED? IS THERE A PROOF OF THAT? COULD THAT EVER HAPPEN?
>> CHAIRMAN SCHNEE AND COMMISSIONER PARSONS, I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.
AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, AND I THINK TRICO MENTIONED THIS AS WELL.
PART OF THE QUESTION THAT'S BEING ASKED ABOUT HOW DOES THIS WORK IN A WAY THAT RATE PAYERS ARE PROTECTED? I THINK WE COVERED.
THAT IS THE AGREEMENTS DO REQUIRE THAT THE END USER, THE CUSTOMER.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, PURSUANT TO THAT ACC CONTRACT, THE CUSTOMER IS THE ACTUAL DATA CENTER.
THE CUSTOMER IS PAYING FOR ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING FINANCIAL GUARANTEES.
THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S MINIMUM RATES, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT HAVE TO BE PAID.
THOSE MINIMUM RATES ARE REQUIRED AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT THE POWER IS TURNED ON.
EVEN IF THE ENTITY IS NOT READY TO TAKE THE POWER, THOSE MINIMUM RATES WILL BE PAID, WHICH ALLOWS EVERYTHING TO STAY CURRENT AND CONSTANT.
YOU ALSO HEARD FROM TRICO THAT ON A LONG TERM BASIS, HAVING A CONSISTENT POWER USER IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE GRID TO PROVIDE THAT RELIABILITY AND TO HELP PROTECT THOSE RATE PAYERS.
I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE WAS, BUT WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE AND WORKING WITH OUR UTILITIES TO DO IS THE BEST PRACTICES MOVING FORWARD.
>> THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO SAY IS IT WAS SET OUT THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE MY CO-COMMISSIONERS ARE ALL VERY GOOD PEOPLE.
THIS GROUP UP HERE, THERE'S NO PAY, THERE'S NO GAIN, NOTHING BUT DONATED TIME AWAY FROM OUR FAMILIES TONIGHT.
I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> MY COMMENTS. I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.
THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN COUNCIL IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
MAYBE I SHOULD ASK MR. ANGEL, AND THEN WE CAN REFER TO YOUR WATER EXPERT.
BUT I REMEMBER THE PREVIOUS MAYOR SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WET WATER PROBLEM, WE HAVE A PAPER WATER PROBLEM.
>> CAN WE GO TO YOUR NEXT QUESTION CAUSE OUR WATER DIRECTOR JUST WENT TO THE RESTROOM.
SHE WILL BE BACK AND SHE'S THE BEST ONE TO RESPOND.
WE WILL ADDRESS IT, BUT MY LOOK.
HOW FAR IS THE NEAREST EXISTING RESIDENCE TO EITHER OF THESE TWO PARCELS?
>> I HAVEN'T RUN THE EXACT CALCULATION, BUT I KNOW THE CLOSEST EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. DO YOU HAVE IT?
IT'S JUST UNDER ONE MILE AWAY.
>> IF THE REZONING GOES THROUGH TONIGHT AND GOES TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND GOES THROUGH, ANYBODY THAT WOULD BE COMING IN AFTERWARDS, IF THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, WOULD KNOW WHAT'S GOING UP THERE?
>> IF THIS WASN'T GOING TO BE A DATA CENTER, IF THIS WAS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND 600 ACRES, ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS COULD BE BUILT?
>> CHAIRMAN SCHNEE COMMISSIONER FLINT, BASED ON DENSITIES, BUT LET'S SAY AN AVERAGE DEVELOPMENT, LIKE GLADDEN FARMS DENSITY WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR OR FIVE UNITS PER ACRE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT 2,403,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
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>> I KNOW MAYBE JASON KNOWS IT, ABOUT HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER WOULD THAT BE? IF WE BUILT 5,000 MORE UNITS? WHAT 4,000 GALLONS A MONTH MAYBE PER UNIT? IS THAT REASONABLE?
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER.
>> WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT 250 MILLION GALLONS.
>> WE WON'T SURPRISE, SIR, BUT MISS LASHAM IS RETURNED AND OUR WATER QUESTIONS.
HEIDI LASHAM IS OUR WATER DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, BUT LET'S DEAL WITH THE ONE FROM COMMISSIONER FLINT RIGHT NOW.
AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD USES HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER PER YEAR OR PER MONTH.
>> IT'S ABOUT 0.3 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
IS THAT AN AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL ON AN ACRE.
WE ASSUME ABOUT EIGHT HOMES CAN BE ON THAT ACRE.
>> DO THE MATH. IS THAT MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT THE DATA CENTER IS PROPOSED TO BE USED IF WE BUILT 5000 HOMES WERE BUILT THERE, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW HUNDRED EITHER WAY?
>> I WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT MAP.
JASON, WHAT'S ON THE LAND NOW?
>> COMMISSIONER FLINT, BOTH PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY AGRICULTURE. THEY'RE FARM.
>> THEY'RE REALLY NOT DESERT IS NOT RIGHT.
WHATEVER WAS THE DESERT BEFORE THEY BECAME FARM LAND HAS LONG BEEN GONE?
>> IT'S AGRICULTURE, IT'S NOT DESERT ANYMORE?
>> THE SETBACKS, IF A HOME WAS TO BE BUILT AS CLOSE AS IT COULD BE, IF THE REZONING GOES THROUGH AND HOMES WERE BUILT BEYOND THE PROPERTIES OF THE DATA CENTER.
WHAT'S THE SETBACK OF THE BUILDING?
>> COMMISSIONER FLINT, THE SETBACKS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW ARE BASED UPON THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE PROPERTY OR THE PLANNED USE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
FOR ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, IT'S A 400 FOOT SETBACK.
>> THAT'S A FOOTBALL AND A THIRD?
>> FOOTBALL FIELD AND A THIRD.
I KNOW A NUMBER OF SOUND STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE IN PREPARATION FOR THIS AND THAT THEY'LL BE ONGOING.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE USER GOES BEYOND WHAT THE SOUND LEVELS THAT HAVE BEEN AGREED TO? WHAT'S THE TOWN'S ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM?
>> COMMISSIONER FLINT, AS MS. SILVAN IDENTIFIED AS PART OF OUR PRESENTATION, PRIOR TO THIS FACILITY TAKING FULL OPERATION, BUT ONCE THEY'RE RELATIVELY DONE WITH CONSTRUCTION, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND DO A WHOLE NOISE ASSESSMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY BUILT IS STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ADOPTED CODE.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO DO REGULAR NOISE STUDIES AND SUBMIT THOSE TO THE TOWN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT SHOWS THEY REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE.
LIKEWISE, IF THEY CHANGE OUT ANY OF THE MAJOR EQUIPMENT LIKE THE GENERATORS OR ANY OF THAT, THEY ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH AN UPDATE ON THAT.
IF AT ANY POINT, THEY'RE DETERMINED TO NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
WE WOULD DO, LIKE WE WOULD WITH ANY OTHER VIOLATION THAT'S HANDLED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE WOULD FIRST SEND THEM A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN VIOLATION, AND THEY NEED TO WORK TO REMEDY THAT.
WE WORK WITH THEM TO BRING THAT INTO COMPLIANCE.
IF THEY FAIL TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, THEN WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT WILL TAKE IT THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE COURT PROCEEDINGS AND HANDLE IT THAT WAY TO BRING IT INTO CONFORMANCE.
>> IT WOULD BE HANDLED JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE WHO VIOLATED THE TOWN'S CODE?
>> FIRE PROTECTION STANDARDS, THEY SHOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THIS BUILDING, WOULDN'T THEY BE?
>> COMMISSIONER FLINT, YOU'RE CORRECT.
THE RECENTLY ADOPTED FIRE CODE ACTUALLY ADDRESSES SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR DATA CENTERS AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR FIRE SUPPRESSION.
I'M NOT A FIRE EXPERT, BUT WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE WITH NORTHWEST FIRE DISTRICT THAT IS HERE, IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE FULL REQUIREMENTS OF THE ADOPTED INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, WHICH THE TOWN NOT ONLY FOLLOWS, BUT NORTHWEST FIRE FOLLOWS TO THE SAME SCENE.
>> I THINK I'M GOOD FOR NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAD A WATER QUESTION.
>> I DID. I HAD A WATER QUESTION THAT THE FORMER MAYOR USED TO ANSWER.
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DO WE STILL HAVE A PAPER WATER PROBLEM VERSUS A WET WATER PROBLEM?>> NO, AS OF TODAY, IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO THAT WE UPDATED OUR DESIGNATED ASSURED WATER SUPPLY.
WE'RE OVER 15,000, I THINK IT IS ACRE FEET THAT WE HAVE ON PAPER CAPACITY, SO WE DO NOT HAVE A PAPER PROBLEM AS WELL.
>> THE WET WATER TABLE IS GOING UP. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WE ARE GOOD ON OUR WATER TABLE AS IT IS TODAY JUST BECAUSE WE RECHARGE SO MUCH INTO THE GROUND.
>> AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT FOR EVERY GALLON THAT MARANA TAKES OUT, THEY HAVE TO PUT A GALLON BACK IN?
>> THANK YOU. I GET TO BRAG ON YOU A LITTLE BIT, JASON.
>> DON'T TAKE TOO LONG, PLEASE.
>> NO. WHEN THE TOWN OF MARANA, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN WATCHED ALL THESE DATA CENTERS HAVING PROBLEMS, THEY TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO GO OUT AND QUERY, THE ORGANIZATIONS, THE DIFFERENT STATES.
THEY BASICALLY BUILT A REGULATION OR STATUTE THAT SAYS WHAT THE TOWN EXPECTS, AND IF THEY DON'T MEET THE STANDARDS, YOU'LL SHUT THEM DOWN.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR YOU'LL GET THEM IN COMPLIANCE?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, FIRST OF ALL, THE ORDINANCE LAYS OUT WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR AN APPLICANT TO EVEN MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR US TO CONSIDER.
STAFF REVIEWS IT FIRSTLY FROM AN APPLICATION STANDPOINT.
ONCE THEY'VE SUBMITTED ALL OF THE REQUIRED MATERIALS BY THE ORDINANCE, WE CAN THEN PROCEED TO THESE TYPE OF PROCEEDINGS.
BUT YES, IF A DATA CENTER IS EVER APPROVED IN THIS COMMUNITY, THERE ARE ONGOING REGULATIONS THAT WOULD BE MONITORED BY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT IT IS TO THE STANDARD IN WHICH THE COUNCIL HAS DETERMINED IS NECESSARY TO ABIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
>> JUST A QUESTION FOR THE CROWD.
HOW MANY OF YOU WENT TO THE MARANA WEBSITE AND DOWNLOADED THE REGULATION AND WATCHED THE PODCAST ON DATA CENTERS AND WATER.
>> I DON'T COMMISSIONER FLINT, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
>> YEAH. LET ME GET INTO IT A LITTLE MORE WITH TYSON.
THERE'S THE TALK OF THE USE AND JOBS AND THINGS OF THE LIKE.
BUT ON A COMPARATIVE BASIS, THE DATA CENTER VERSUS IF THE HOMES WERE BUILT, WHETHER IT'S 3,000, 04,000, 5,000, WHATEVER.
WHAT'S THE DEMAND ON MUNICIPAL SERVICES? ON A COMPARATIVE BASIS.
WHICH PLACE IS A HIGHER DEMAND ON MUNICIPAL SERVICES?
>> COMMISSIONER FLINT, BASED UPON THE AREA AND ASSUMING NUMBERS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT, IF IT WAS ALL DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL.
ONE, THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE EXTENDED TO SERVE A NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU'RE TALKING STREETS, SIDEWALKS, SEWER, WATER, POWER, ALL OF THAT.
IT ALL COMES BACK TO LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION FOR THE TOWN TO TAKE ON.
THE TOWN OF MARANA DOES NOT HAVE A PROPERTY SALES TAX OR A PROPERTY TAX.
THE TAXES THAT ARE COLLECTED FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BEING CONSTRUCTED ARE JUST THAT CONSTRUCTION SALES TAX.
THAT'S A ONE TIME. THAT'S A COLLECTION. SAME THING.
IN COMPARISON TO AN OPERATION LIKE THIS, BASED UPON WHAT THEY'VE SHOWN HERE, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S BEING PASSED ONTO US.
ONCE FULLY OPERATIONAL, BASED UPON ONCE AGAIN, THE NUMBERS THAT ARE THERE, AND FOSTER OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HAS WORKED WITH HIS TEAM TO REVIEW THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ARE MINIMAL AT THAT POINT.
A NEIGHBORHOOD DEPENDENCY ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE,
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IT'S CLEARLY FAR GREATER THAN WHAT A USE LIKE THIS WOULD BE.>> IT WOULD BE SAFE TO SAY THAT THE AMOUNT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT NECESSARY FOR THE PROTECTION OF A DATA CENTER VERSUS THE PROTECTION OF 5,000 HOMES IS FAR LESS?
>> THERE ANY DEMAND ON PARKS FROM A DATA CENTER VERSUS 5,000 HOMES?
>> COMMISSIONER FLINT, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE MINIMAL.
YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES THERE MIGHT ENJOY THE TRAILS IN THE AREA OR GO TO THE PARK FOR LUNCH AND THAT, BUT MINIMAL COMPARED TO A LARGER.
>> THERE'D BE MINIMAL IMPACT ON ADMINISTRATION OF THE TOWN, CORRECT?
>> I THINK I'M GOOD. THANK YOU, MR.
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT A TIER FOUR GENERATOR IS OR GREATER? IS THAT REDUCED NOISE LEVEL?
>> CHAIRMAN SCHNEE IT IS REDUCED EMISSIONS LEVELS.
THE EPA INSTITUTED TIERS FOR REGULATING DIESEL GENERATORS, STARTING I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS AGO, BUT MANY YEARS AGO, WITH TIER 1, AND THEY'VE PROGRESSED UP TO TIER 4 GENERATORS AT THIS POINT.
ARE THE STANDARD SINCE I BELIEVE THE MID 2000S, AND EACH TIER HAS WORKED TO REDUCE THE LEVEL OF EMISSIONS THAT THESE DIESEL GENERATORS PUT OUT INTO THE AIR.
AT THIS POINT, THAT'S THE LOWEST EMISSION LEVEL GENERATOR.
THAT'S WHY WE REQUIRED IT IN OUR DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
I'M GOING TO BRING UP THAT WORD FENESTRATION.
BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE BUILDING DESIGNS, AND THERE'S AN ENTIRE SECTION ON WHAT WE REQUIRE OF THE BUILDINGS.
>> YEAH COMMISSIONER. CHAIRMAN SCHNEE THAT IS TRUE.
THE ORDINANCE DOES HAVE CLEAR ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT.
FENESTRATION, THE WORD YOU BRING UP IS THE PLACEMENT OF DOORS, WINDOWS, AND BUMP HOLES, AND THE SPACING OF THOSE ALONG A FACADE OF A BUILDING.
WE TALK ABOUT WINDOWS, WHETHER THEY'RE FAKE OR FALSE.
WE TALK ABOUT THE PROMINENCE OF A MAIN ENTRANCE.
WE TALK ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FROM WHAT IS STREET FACING VERSUS NOT-STREET FACING VERSUS WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND NOT THERE IS STRICT REQUIREMENTS ON THE PLACEMENT OF LOADING DOCKS, AND GROUND MOUNTED EQUIPMENT AND THE SCREENING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
WE DID SPEND A GREAT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND WHEN WE WERE DRAFTING THAT ORDINANCE, THAT WAS ONE AREA THAT WE DID SPEND A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING WITH YOURSELVES AS WELL AS COUNSEL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MET THE THRESHOLD THAT WAS DESIRED FOR THE APPEARANCE OF SUCH A FACILITY.
>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CHAIN LINK FENCES.
WE CAN'T USE CHAIN LINK FENCES WITH THE SLIDES IN THEM TO HIDE THE BUILDINGS.
CORRECT. IT'S A DIFFERENT MECHANISM FOR THAT.
DO WE TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING AT ALL?
>> THERE ARE LANDSCAPING BUFFER REQUIREMENTS THAT IS ALSO MEANT, AND IT'S BASED UPON THE LOCATION OF A PROPOSED FACILITY, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH LANDSCAPING COULD BE USED TO ACCOMPLISH BUFFER OR SCREENING REQUIREMENTS.
WE DID THAT MAINLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WE COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT EVERY POSSIBLE PROPOSAL WOULD COME IN THE FARMLAND OF OUR COMMUNITY.
IT MIGHT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE TOPOGRAPHY HAS VARIATIONS AMONGST THE SITE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR BERMING TO BE MORE PREVALENT VERSUS CREATING BERMS IN A FARMLAND.
>> I WAS HANDED A STACK OF LETTERS THAT SAYS, TOWN OF MARANA LETTERS IN SUPPORT, 17 LETTERS AGAINST 13 WHEN THESE WILL BE POSTED ONLINE.
ARE THEY MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC?
>> CHAIRMAN SCHNEE. THOSE LETTERS WERE THE LETTERS THAT I RECEIVED,
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AND TOWN STAFF WAS DIRECTED, IF ANYBODY RECEIVED THEM, THE CLERK'S OFFICE MANAGER'S OFFICE, WHATEVER TO FUNNEL THEM TO ME.AS OF 4:00 TODAY, THOSE WERE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF LETTERS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED, EITHER IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST THE PROJECT.
THOSE WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.
BUT THEY WILL ALSO BE CARRIED FORWARD AND INCLUDED IF THIS ITEM PROCEEDS, WE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE COUNSEL PACKET AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD THERE AS WELL.
>> WATER AND SEWER LINES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THE SITE IS GOING TO NEED SEVERAL MILES OF WATER AND SEWER LINES TO BE CONSTRUCTED, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE APPLICANT'S EXPENSE, NOT AT THE TOWN'S EXPENSE?
>> ANYONE THAT DEVELOPS ALONG THOSE LINES, LET'S SAY, SOUTH OF WHERE THE PROPERTIES ARE, WILL THE APPLICANT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT PROPORTIONAL COST THAT THE USER WOULD HAVE, OR IS THE APPLICANT FUNDING THE ENTIRE.
>> CHAIR SCHNEE, COMMISSIONER FLINT, IF THE APPLICANT OVERSIZES THE WATER AND SEWER LINES, WHICH I BELIEVE THE CURRENT PLAN IS TO OVERSIZE THEM, THEN THEY WILL UNDER TOWN CODE, THEY WILL BE DESIGNATED BY THE COUNCIL AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING AS PROTECTED FACILITIES, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT AS OTHER PROJECTS DEVELOP AND THEY TIE INTO THE WATER OR SEWER LINES, THEY WOULD INDEED PAY THEIR OVERSIZE FEE.
THE OVERSIZED RECOVERY FEE TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, BUT THE TOWN WOULD NOT BE PAYING ANY OF THOSE COSTS.
>> VERY GOOD. LASTLY, GOING BACK TO THE GENERATORS FOR A MINUTE, THAT THERE ARE STANDBY GENERATORS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND IT'S OKAY FOR HOSPITALS AND FIRE STATIONS AND POLICE STATIONS.
BUT WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT SCREENS NOW.
WHEN THE GENERATOR GOES DOWN AT THE DATA CENTER, WHEN THE POWER GOES DOWN AT THE DATA CENTER, IF THERE'S NO GENERATOR, NONE OF US ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ANYTHING.
I NEED TO HAVE IT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
IT'S MORE OF AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT TO YOUR COMMENT.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT I THINK IT GOES A LONG WAY TO SAY THAT OUR TOWN COUNCIL, KUDOS TO OUR TOWN COUNCIL AND OUR TOWN ATTORNEY WHO WERE FORWARD THINKING ENOUGH.
TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR EVERYBODY TO READ.
IT'S NOT A WHAT IF THIS IS AN ENFORCEABLE LEGAL DOCUMENT? IT'S A TOWN ORDINANCE.
I APPLAUD OUR TOWN COUNCIL FOR BEING FORWARD THINKING.
IF A TOWN OR A CITY IS NOT GROWING, IT'S STAGNANT.
I AGREE THAT PROGRESSIVE THOUGHTS HAVE TO BE MADE IN ORDER, AND PLANNING HAS TO BE DONE.
I THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THAT.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU COMING TONIGHT TO EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS.
I HOPE WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE TONIGHT, YOU REALIZE THAT THIS PANEL AND YOUR TOWN COUNCIL HAVE HEARD YOUR VOICES.
WE HAVE HEARD YOU. YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE WAY WE SOMETIMES VOTE, BUT WE DO LISTEN.
WE ARE A VOLUNTEER BODY, AND WE DO APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU. THANK YOU.
>> WITH THAT SAID, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> SURE, WHY NOT? I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL OF PC Z25 EXCUSE ME, 2510-002, LUCKETT ROAD NORTH DATA CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
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>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. [APPLAUSE]
>> DO I NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION FOR THE SECOND.
>> DID WE NOT MAKE A MOTION ON ONE?
>> NO. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT PZ Z251-OO1.
>> I'M SORRY, WHAT ARE WE DOING?
>> WE DIDN'T HAVE A MOTION ON ONE.
>> I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY, WHAT?
>> WHY DON'T WE TAKE A QUICK BREAK UNTIL THE NOISE CLEARS OUT?
>> I HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER. [BACKGROUND]
>> YOU DID APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 1 ALREADY.
>> FOLKS, WE STILL HAVE A MEETING GOING ON.
IF YOU PLAN ON HAVING A CONVERSATION, IF YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUT INTO THE LOBBY, PLEASE.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SECOND ONE.
>> FOLKS, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, IF WE CAN HAVE THEM OUT IN THE LOBBY, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.
>> COULD CLEAR UP THE CONFUSION.
WE DID THAT MOTION WAS FOR THE FIRST ITEM RELATED TO THE DATA CENTER.
WE NOW HAVE TO DO A SECOND ITEM FOR THE OTHER 300 ACRE PARCEL.
IT'S SOMEONE SAID THAT WE DIDN'T DO A MOTION ON ITEM 1, AND WE DID.
ITEM 2, WE JUST DID, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 3.
>> CHAIRMAN. AS I INDICATED EARLIER, I WAS REPRESENTED ALSO BY MS. SILVAN.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS TWO PARCELS.
THIS ITEM IS PCZ 2510-002, WHICH IS LUCKETT ROAD SOUTH DATA CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN.
>> I'M SORRY, CHAIR SCHENA JASON.
IN THE AGENDA PACKET, IT SAYS THAT ONE IS 001.
THE APPLICANT IS ONCE AGAIN, LAZARUS AND SILVAN, REPRESENTING KAY TRUST, WHO IS THE OWNERS.
THIS PROPERTY HAS ALSO ZONED R144 WITH THE PROPOSAL TO REZONE TO A SPECIFIC PLAN ALONG WITH A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE 2040 GENERAL PLAN.
IT IS ALSO APPROXIMATELY 300 ACRES IN SIZE.
CURRENT ZONING IS 144, AND THE GENERAL PLAN HAS IT DESIGNATED AS EMPLOYMENT.
SIMILAR MAPS, THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE LAST TIME.
THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, ON THE RIGHT THERE IS ZONED R144, AND CURRENTLY IS USED AS AGRICULTURE.
PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS THE ONE WE JUST HEARD AND WENT THROUGH.
ONCE AGAIN, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND EAST ARE R 144 AND AGRICULTURAL USES IN THE VETERAN CEMETERY TO THE EAST.
THEN TO THE WEST IS AGRICULTURAL USE AND AN EXISTING SOLAR FIELD.
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THIS IS THE SAME THING SECTION REGARDING SPECIFIC PLANS AND HOW THEY RELATE TO DATA CENTERS.THESE ARE THOSE SAME SIX CRITERIA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE REGARDING THIS APPLICATION.
THE POWER PROVIDER IS TUCSON ELECTRIC FOR THIS ONE, ONCE AGAIN, WITH A PROPOSED MEGAWATT RANGE OF 550 TO 750 MEGAWATTS.
MARANA WATER, ONCE AGAIN, WOULD PROVIDE WATER FOR THE OFFICE USE.
CORTARO, MARANA IRRIGATION DISTRICT OR CMID WOULD PROVIDE WATER FOR IRRIGATION INDUSTRIAL AND FIRE SUPPRESSION AND ONCE AGAIN, IT'S MARANA WASTEWATER FOR HERE.
I WENT THROUGH THESE SAME EXACT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME OF THOSE.
ONE THING I WANT TO CLARIFY IS, EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS, AND AS WE TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S ONE PROJECT.
THE WAY IN WHICH WE WORKED WITH MISS FARRELL AND STAFF IS THAT EACH ONE OF THESE ORDINANCES, IF APPROVED, CARRIES THE SAME CONDITIONS TO IT.
THE REASON BEING IS THAT IF FOR SOME REASON, ONLY ONE OF THESE SITES WENT FORWARD, THESE CONDITIONS CARRY WITH IT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU DO ONE OR THE OTHER, OR YOU DO BOTH.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONDITIONS CARRY WITH IT, NO MATTER IF THE PROJECT WERE TO PROCEED.
IT'S THE SAME THING EXTENSION OF LUCKETT ROAD UP TO PANEL, THE EXTENSION OF POTABLE WATER, THERE'S ANOTHER TYPO.
THIS ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE 3 MILES, ONCE AGAIN, NEW FOREST MIN AND LIFT STATION, 2 MILES.
THEN THE REGIONAL DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AND DISCUSSED.
SIMILAR SITE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BASED UPON THE BUFFERS OF THE ADJACENT USES THAT ARE THERE.
YOU ALSO SEE THE SUBSTATION PROPOSED LOCATION.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO SLIGHT VARIATIONS BASED UPON ENGINEERING WHEN AND IF THEY WERE TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
SAME AS LAST TIME. THIS IS A DISCRETIONARY ITEM.
IF STAFF WISHES OR IF THE COMMISSION WISHES TO PROCEED WITH AN APPROVAL, WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO SO SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS.
I'LL ASK MS. SILVAN, YOU WENT THROUGH YOUR PROJECT.
APPARENTLY, MS. SILVAN DOES NOT WANT TO REPEAT HER PRESENTATION.
WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DO REQUIRE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS AS WELL.
>> GOT IT. THE ONLY ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT WE HAVE ON THIS IS THE REZONING AREA SHALL BE ANNEXED INTO A FIRE DISTRICT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN THE REZONING AREA.
>> THAT IS CORRECT MR. THIS PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN AN EXISTING FIRE DISTRICT, AND THAT IS A STANDARD ZONING CONDITION THAT WE APPLY.
WHEN IT'S DETERMINED THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN A FIRE DISTRICT THAT PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY NEED TO ANNEX INTO A FIRE DISTRICT.
>> FIRE DISTRICT WITHIN JUCTION.
>> NORTHWEST FIRE IS, I BELIEVE, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT ON BOTH THE SOUTH AND EAST.
THEN, WHO ELSE IS UP IN THAT AREA, ALEX VALLE.
ARA VALLEY IS ALSO IN THAT AREA.
BUT I THINK BASED UPON THEIR SERVICE CAPABILITIES BETWEEN THOSE TWO FIRE OPERATIONS, NORTHWEST FIRE WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR A DATA CENTER OR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.
>> CHAIRMAN SCHNEE, MEMBERS OF THE MIRNA PLANNING COMMISSION, MICHAEL GUYMON, CHIEF ADVOCACY OFFICER FOR THE CHAMBER OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA.
I'VE ALREADY STATED MY COMMENTS IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, IS I'VE DONE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS I HAVE MY COLLEAGUES FOR SOME TIME.
MOST OF THE TIME, WHEN TOP COMPANIES AND COMMUNITIES ARE TRYING TO LURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO THEIR COMMUNITY, THEY ARE ADDING INCENTIVES.
THEY ARE TRYING TO, THERE'S GOOD AND BAD TWO INCENTIVES, AND I DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THAT,
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BUT MOST OF THE TIME, INCENTIVES ARE USED TO TRY TO GET COMPANIES TO EXPAND OR RELOCATE TO THEIR REGION.THIS IS ONE OF A VERY FEW CASES WHERE THE COMPANY IS NOT ONLY NOT REQUIRING ANY INCENTIVES TO COME HERE, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
TO COMMISSIONER FLYNTS POINT, ON AVERAGE, ADDING $14.5 MILLION TO THE COMMUNITY FROM THEIR PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE BEING RAISED THAT DO NOT EXIST TODAY, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TEN YEARS AND IN PERPETUITY.
I WOULD ALSO JUST ADD, THAT THIS IS A LAND USE DECISION.
THIS IS A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION.
THE TOWN OF MARANA HAS BEEN, AS BEEN MENTIONED, BEEN VERY FORWARD THINKING, AS IT RELATES TO THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
I APPLAUD THE TOWN OF MARANA FOR TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO IMPLEMENT THESE TYPES OF ORDINANCES TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THESE PROJECTS COME FORWARD, THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH, THE REGULATIONS, MEETING THE REGULATIONS AND PROVIDING A GOOD PROJECT THAT WILL CREATE JOBS FOR THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.
>> CALL YOU, ED. THERE YOU GO.
>> GETS PEOPLE TRICKY. CAN YOU BE HEAR ME? WONDERFUL. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION OF MARANA FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OBVIOUSLY, THE DECISION WAS MET WITH SOME DISAPPOINTMENT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO AHEAD AND REITERATE ALL THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY SAYID TO TRY TO CONVINCE YOU ALL OTHERWISE.
YOU CAN TUNE ME OUT OR YOU CAN CHOOSE TO LISTEN.
I ASSUME YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS ANYWAYS.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST CLARIFY SOME THINGS.
I GOT TO MAKE SURE I CAN MAKE EYE CONTACT THIS HAIR. DOESN'T HELP.
THE DATA CENTERS, AS HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE, IS HOLDING WE DON'T KNOW.
IT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO HOLD A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR CONGLOMERATE LIKE GOOGLE, LIKE META, LIKE FACEBOOK IS META, LIKE OPEN EYE, WHATEVER.
AS HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE, THESE COMPANIES ARE CURRENTLY IN A BUBBLE, JUST LIKE WE SAW IN THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS BEFORE THAT BURST AND IT CAUSED RIPPLE ROUGHOUT THE ECONOMY.
THOUGH SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE LIVED COMFORTABLY THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW IT CAUSED A LOT OF DAMAGE AND A LOT OF STRUGGLE FOR MANY. FOR ME, I WAS PRETTY COMFORTABLE.
WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THE SELLING OF AN IDEA.
THE REASON WHY THESE DATA CENTERS ARE BEING BUILT SINCE 2021, THEY'VE DOUBLED.
NOT BECAUSE WE'RE USING MORE INTERNET, BUT BECAUSE OF AI SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING SOLD WITHIN THESE DATA CENTERS IS AI.
IT'S REAL ESTATE FOR AI DEVELOPERS.
WHEN THESE DATA CENTERS SHUT DOWN, IT'S NOT GOING TO COMPLETELY DISABLE OUR ABILITY TO USE THE INTERNET.
IT'S GOING TO DISABLE THESE COMPANIES ABILITIES TO DEVELOP FEATURES TO CONTINUE RAKING IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENTS THAT STILL HAVEN'T HAD A PROFIT YET.
THAT'S THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT'S IN THESE DATA CENTERS.
COMMISSIONER FLINT, YOU ASKED A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS, ABOUT THE USE OF THE DATA CENTER AND ITS IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY COMPARED TO 5,000 RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
I WAS JUST A BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE, I ASSUME YOU WERE ASKING THE QUESTIONS IN GOOD FAITH, BUT IT SEEMED A BIT OF A GOT YOU MOMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO USE MORE RESOURCES FOR 5,000 HOMES AS OPPOSED TO THE DATA CENTER, WHICH IS GOING TO RAKE IN AS YOU SAW, SOMEWHAT SAY SUBSTANTIAL TAX REVENUE.
BUT THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF OF THE TOWN OF MARANA.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO GAIN MORE BENEFIT, THE LITTLE BENEFIT THAT WE DO HAVE AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING PARKS FOR RESIDENTS, AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING NEIGHBORHOODS, AS OPPOSED TO FOSTERING STRONGER COMMUNITIES, AND WE JUST BUILD DATA CENTERS BECAUSE THAT INCREASES OUR TAX REVENUE.
THEN BUILD MORE ROADS, BUT THEN WHERE ARE THOSE HOMES GOING TO GO FOR NOT BUILDING HOMES BECAUSE THERE'S MORE BENEFIT TO BUILD A DATA CENTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD AS MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE HOMES.
I WAS A BIT CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS COMMISSION IS, IF NOT TO FOSTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY OF MARANA.
BECAUSE WHAT HAS BEEN SOLD TO YOU, BY MEMBERS PROMOTING THE DATA CENTER HAS BEEN AN IDEA OF NUMBERS.
MARANA DOESN'T WANT TO BE BEHIND ON PROGRESS.
MARANA DOESN'T WANT TO BE A BACKWATER TOWN.
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SANDY BUCHARELLI.SHAN SEN AND VANESSA SAN. THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKER CARDS THAT I HAVE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
>> FROM THE MR. CHAIRMAN, MARANA HAS TO BE A BALANCED COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A VARIETY OF HOUSING STYLES.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A VARIETY OF INDUSTRIAL, WE HAVE TO HAVE A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL TO MAKE US A VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE A BALANCE IN REVENUE AND EXPENSES.
IF WE WERE JUST A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WITH NO INDUSTRIAL, NO COMMERCIAL, NO OTHERS, IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE 100% DEMAND ON SERVICES.
WE NEED THOSE OTHER LAND USES AND THOSE OTHER ZONINGS TO BE IN THE CITY THAT DON'T HAVE AS GREAT A DEMAND AS RESIDENTIAL TO HELP THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, HAVE THE PARKS AND THE LIBRARIES, AND ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT GO WITH THEM BOTH IN POLICE AND FIRE.
IT'S THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCE.
I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT THIS USE, AS SOME MAY FEEL IT MIGHT BE OBNOXIOUS, AND OTHERS ARE GRATEFUL FOR IT.
IT'S OUT IN A REMOTE AREA OF THE TOWN OF MARANA.
IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO ANYBODY'S HOME.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE LIGHT GLARING IN ON ANYBODY'S BACK YARD, AS WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER CONCERNS IN OTHER MATTERS THAT CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD.
IT'S TO HAVE A BALANCE IN THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN ALL AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, AND HAVE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT IN A COMMUNITY, THAT THE PAST TOWN COUNCILS AND THE CURRENT TOWN COUNCIL HAVE AFFORDED US.
>> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONER, WOULD THAT BE WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF. [OVERLAPPING]
>> APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. NO COMMISSION ACTION.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR.
AS I DO EVERY YEAR FOR YOU, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEAR OF SERVICE.
I WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY HAPPY, HEALTHY AND SAFE HOLIDAY SEASON.
>> WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> AYE. SERIOUSLY, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.
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