[ CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL] [00:00:05] I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MARANA TOWN COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MAYOR POST. HERE. VICE MAYOR ZIEGLER. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER CAVANAUGH. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER COMERFORD. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KAI. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MURPHY. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER OFFICER. HERE. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A MOMENT OF SILENCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. PLEASE BE SEATED. [ APPROVAL OF AGENDA] APPROVAL OF AGENDA. SO MOVED, MAYOR. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION. SECOND. AGENDA IS APPROVED. [ CALL TO THE PUBLIC At this time any member of the public is allowed to address the Town Council on any issue within the jurisdiction of the Town Council, except for items scheduled for a Public Hearing at this meeting. The speaker may have up to three minutes to speak. Any persons wishing to address the Council must complete a speaker card located outside the Council Chambers and deliver it to the Town Clerk prior to the commencement of the meeting. Individuals addressing a meeting at the Call to the Public will not be provided with electronic technology capabilities beyond the existing voice amplification and recording capabilities in the facilities. Pursuant to the Arizona Open Meeting Law, at the conclusion of Call to the Public, individual members of the Council may respond to criticism made by those who have addressed the Council, and may ask staff to review the matter, or may ask that the matter be placed on a future agenda.] AT THIS TIME, AS CALLED TO THE PUBLIC, AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO ADDRESS THE TOWN COUNCIL ON ANY ISSUE WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE TOWN COUNCIL EXCEPT FOR ITEMS SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS MEETING. THE SPEAKER MAY HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE TOWN COUNCIL MUST COMPLETE A SPEAKER CARD LOCATED OUTSIDE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND DELIVER IT TO THE TOWN CLERK. TONIGHT WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 25 SPEAKER CARDS. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM IN THEIR ENTIRETY. I WOULD PLEASE ASK THAT YOU DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. THERE'S TIMES WHEN SPEAKERS LIKE TO TURN AROUND OR LOOK OVER THEIR SHOULDER AT THE PEOPLE BEHIND THEM. AND YOU CAME HERE TONIGHT TO ADDRESS US. AND SO PLEASE, LET'S DO THAT. AND THEN LET'S BE RESPECTFUL OF THE TIME THAT EVERYBODY HAS GIVEN TO COME TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE. THE FIRST SPEAKER, PLEASE. YES, MR. MAYOR. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JOEL CORDES, FOLLOWED BY LLOYD KIRSCH. THANK YOU. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL OF MARANA. MY NAME IS JOEL CORDES. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF MARANA SINCE 2016, WITH A SHORT TIME UP IN AHWATUKEE. BUT I CHOSE MARANA BECAUSE OF THE LEADERSHIP'S COMMON-SENSE APPROACH TO GOVERNING THAT EMBRACES TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VALUES AND LOVE OF OUR COUNTRY. YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN, AND I PRAY CONTINUES TO BE ONE OF MANAGED GROWTH, ECONOMIC STABILITY, RESPECT FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF MARANA, AND SOUND PRINCIPLES OF LAW AND ORDER. AS PART OF YOUR STEWARDSHIP, YOU UNDERSTAND AND YOU RIGHTFULLY ABIDE BY FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL CODES, LAWS, AND REGULATIONS. CASE IN POINT, I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN SOME OBJECTIONS AND DEMANDS MADE TO THE COUNCIL CONCERNING THE MANAGEMENT AND TRAINING CORPORATION'S LEGAL USE OF THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. I COMMEND THIS COUNCIL AND THE TOWN ADMINISTRATION FOR NEITHER WAVERING NOR CATERING TO INDIVIDUAL AND GROUP PROTESTS AGAINST A PRIVATE BUSINESS BEING ALLOWED TO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS WITHOUT POLITICAL BIAS OR PREJUDICE. UNLIKE PRIOR FEDERAL ADMINISTRATIONS WHO DECIDED TO PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS, YOU HAVE REMAINED NEUTRAL AND SIMPLY FOCUSED ON OPERATING OUR TOWN WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES, ONE WHICH TREATS EVERYONE FAIRLY AND WITH RESPECT. AND FOR THIS, YOU AND THE TOWN ADMINISTRATORS SHOULD BE COMMENDED. AS LEADERS, YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE MUNICIPAL LAW APPLIES, WHERE COUNTY AND STATE LAWS BEGIN AND END, AND WHERE FEDERAL LAW SUPERSEDES ALL OTHERS. UNDER THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE FOUND IN ARTICLE VI, CLAUSE 2 OF THE CONSTITUTION, FEDERAL LAW SUPERSEDES ALL OTHERS AND IS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY IN THE UNITED STATES. WHILE MANY IN THIS COUNTRY DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THIS DECREE OR WISH TO CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING UNRECOGNIZABLE, YOU REMAIN UNINFLUENCED AND ADVOCATES FOR THE RULE OF LAW. WHILE THERE MAY BE THOSE WHO ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF MARANA, THOSE WHO MAY BE ANTAGONISTS, YOU STAND FIRM AND GOVERN FROM A PLACE OF RIGHT OVER WRONG. FOR THAT, I WANT TO EXTEND MY SUPPORT TO YOU NOW AND AT ELECTION TIME TO ENSURE OUR COMMUNITY, THE TOWN OF MARANA, REMAINS A BODY [00:05:01] OF NATIONAL AND RATIONAL, COMMON SENSE LEADERS WHO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VALUES AND WAY OF LIFE, VALUES AND GOVERNING FOUNDATIONS THAT HAVE SERVED THIS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES. AS A VOTER AND RESIDENT OF MARANA, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY THE COURSE AND DO NOT WAVER TO THE RADICALS AND FANATICS DESPITE THEIR EFFORTS TO TURN OUR COMMUNITY INTO ONE OF LAWLESSNESS AND YET ANOTHER FAILED SOCIALIST EXPERIMENT. IN GOD'S SPEED, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LLOYD KIRSCH FOLLOWED BY WILLIAM JOSEPH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR POST, VICE MAYOR SIEGLER, AND MEMBERS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LLOYD KIRSCH. I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN TO THIS AREA FOR 40 YEARS AND I'M A RESIDENT SINCE 2014. ALSO ACTIVE ON A VARIETY OF MARANA AND MARANA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT TASK FORCES AND COMMITTEES. I RESPECTFULLY PRESENT FOR YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION. THE TOWN OF MARANA APPROVES THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION, WHICH ARE COMMON SENSE MEASURES THAT PROTECT AMERICANS' CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND ENSURE RESPONSIBLE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SHOULD APPLY TO ALL FEDERAL ACTIVITY WITHIN THE TOWN BOUNDARIES. THESE MEASURES ARE USED BY OUR HIGHLY RESPECTED TOWN LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFF, WHICH CURRENTLY MAINTAINS ONE OF THE LOWEST CRIME RATES IN ARIZONA. NUMBER ONE, FEDERAL AGENTS SHALL ENTER PRIVATE HOMES ONLY WITH A JUDICIAL WARRANT AS MARANA LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DO, NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT. NUMBER TWO, FEDERAL AGENTS SHALL STOP WEARING MASKS AND HAVE THEIR NAMES, AGENCIES, AND UNIQUE ID NUMBERS VISIBLE ON THEIR UNIFORMS AS MARANA LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DO. THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT DOXXING HERE, BUT THERE IS CURRENTLY LAW THAT PREVENTS DOXXING FROM HAPPENING. AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT A CITIZEN HAS A SIX TIMES HIGHER CHANCE OF BEING INJURED THAN AN ICE OFFICER. 35%, THIS IS NUMBER THREE, 35% OF MARANA RESIDENTS ARE HISPANIC. FEDERAL AGENTS SHALL END RACIAL PROFILING, THAT IS AGENTS DETAINING INDIVIDUALS BASED ON THEIR SKIN COLOR, PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT, OR LANGUAGE, AND TO RAIDS OF SO-CALLED SENSITIVE SITES, MEDICAL FACILITIES, SCHOOLS, CHILD CARE FACILITIES, CHURCHES, POLLING PLACES, AND COURTS AS MARANA LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DO. FEDERAL AGENTS SHALL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A REASONABLE POLICY FOR USE OF FORCE AND TO BE REMOVED DURING AN INVESTIGATION IF THEY VIOLATE IT, AS MARANA LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SHOULD DO. FEDERAL AGENTS SHALL COORDINATE WITH LOCAL- WAIT, WERE YOU PLANNING ON READING THIS ENTIRE THING? YES, SIR, I JUST HAVE A SMALL AMOUNT LEFT. YOU'RE HALFWAY THROUGH AND YOU JUST FINISHED YOUR THREE MINUTES. WELL, LET ME THANK YOU- I MEAN, IF I GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES, I GOT TO GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE THREE MINUTES. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY AND I'LL HONOR YOUR REQUEST, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I TRUST THAT YOU WILL GIVE THIS THE GRAVE CONSIDERATION IT DESERVES ON BEHALF OF MARANA RESIDENTS, OUT-OF-TOWN EMPLOYEES, AND VISITORS. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYONE HAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LLOYD. I APPRECIATE IT. MR. PRESIDENT, DID YOU RECEIVE MY EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON? YES, I DID. THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING. YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. [00:10:09] OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS WILLIAM JOSEPH, FOLLOWED BY LORI KETTNER. HELLO, AND THANKS FOR THE COUNCIL TO LET ME SPEAK. I'M ACTUALLY HERE TO DEFEND DEMOCRACY, AND WE HAVE A MOVEMENT IN MARANA TO DO EXACTLY THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLED, TO DEFEND DEMOCRACY. I ASK YOU ALL TO COME AND JOIN US. I HAVE BUTTONS FOR YOU THAT I'LL DROP OFF, AND I HOPE YOU CAN WEAR IT PROUDLY. THIS MOVEMENT, IT'S ABOUT CONSCIENCE, IT'S ABOUT CONSCIENCE. CONSCIENCE MEANS TO WORK OUT OF CHARACTER, TO STRENGTHEN OUR CHARACTER, AND ACT OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE VIRTUES OF COURAGE AND JUSTICE. ICE VIOLATES, AND THIS IS ABOUT CONSCIENCE AS WELL AS LAW. LAW DOES NOT OVERRULE CONSCIENCE. WE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY? AND THE TWO CAN BE INTERTWINED, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT THAT WAY. ICE VIOLATES BOTH. THAT'S A PROVEN FACT. ICE VIOLATES CONSCIENCE, AND THEY VIOLATE THE LAW. YOU CAN ASK THE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS OF MINNEAPOLIS WHO ACTED OUT OF CONSCIENCE. ALEX PRADY AND RANI GOOD DIED OUT OF CONSCIENCE. OKAY? WE HAVE MANY EXAMPLES OF HISTORY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THAT. I MEAN, THE MOST PRIME EXAMPLE IS ROSA PARKS, WHO GOT ON THE BUS, SAT ON THE FRONT. SHE WAS VIOLATING THE LAW, BUT SHE ACTED OUT OF CONSCIENCE. SOMETIMES THAT HAS TO BE DONE. THIS IS NOT FUN. THIS IS NOT PLEASURABLE. NOBODY'S HAVING A GOOD TIME TO ACT OUT OF CONSCIENCE AND ACCEPT THE RESULTS, BUT THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THIS PROPOSAL OF ICE IN MARANA, OR ANYWHERE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER, MUST BE STOPPED. IT MUST BE STOPPED. IT'S JUST A MATTER, AND IT WILL, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN AND AT WHAT COST. SOMETIMES THE COST, WHEN YOU ACT OUT OF CONSCIENCE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH DANGEROUS TERRITORY TO DO THAT. I'M NOT HERE APPEALING TO ANYBODY'S INTELLECT HERE, BUT TO YOUR HEART. OUR VISION WILL BECOME CLEAR WHEN WE ACT OUT OF OUR HEART. OKAY? SO, I ASK THE COUNCIL TO CHECK YOUR CONSCIENCE ON THIS ICE CENTER COMING IN. IT MUST BE STOPPED, AND AGAIN, I GUARANTEE IT WILL. WE NEED TO INDICATE TO THE PEOPLE WHO RUN IT, AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN IT, THAT UNLESS WE ARE, AND TRUMP HIMSELF, UNLESS WE ARE ALL FREE, BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC, IMMIGRANTS, UNLESS WE ARE ALL FREE, THAT MACHINE OF ICE WILL BE PREVENTED FROM WORKING AT ALL. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LORI KETTNER, FOLLOWED BY RICHARD GUTHRIDGE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME'S LORI KETTNER. I LIVE IN MARANA. HAVEN'T LIVED THERE LONG, BUT I'M PROUD OF IT. I'M NEITHER A SOCIALIST, OR A RADICAL. I'M JUST A CITIZEN, WITH A MORAL COMPASS. YOU'LL BE, HOPEFULLY, YOU'LL BE PASSED SOME PAPERWORK THAT I'VE PREPARED FOR YOU. I WILL NOT READ IT ALL, I PROMISE. I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT IT. PRICE, OR KNOWN AS PIMA RESISTA, I SENT AN EMAIL LAST WEEK TO SUPPORTERS ADVISING US THAT THEY HAD MET WITH THE TOWN MANAGER. PRICE ADVISED THE FOLLOWING. THE TOWN ATTORNEY HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND CASE LAW TO STOP THE DETENTION CENTER. THE COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO PASS AN ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION OPPOSING THE DETENTION CENTER BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY SERVE TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER. THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT HAVING A DETENTION CENTER IN TOWN WILL NOT IMPACT COMMUNITY SAFETY. AND MTC IS NOT A PROBLEMATIC COMPANY. FIRST, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WORKED IN COURTS FOR OVER 30 YEARS DURING MY CAREER AND SOMETIMES CASE LAW DOESN'T EXIST IN CERTAIN INSTANCES. THAT DOESN'T MEAN MARANA HAS TO JUST SIT BACK AND LET THIS DETENTION CENTER HAPPEN. CASE LAW IS CREATED BY THE JUDGES AND IN SOME CASES EVEN ESTABLISH THE CASE LAW. MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES. THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO STOP THE PROPOSED DETENTION CENTER AND I ASK YOU, WHY NOT? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? ARE YOU AFRAID OF DONALD TRUMP AND THAT HE MIGHT STOP SOME KIND OF WITHHOLDING OF FEDERAL FUNDING? PERHAPS YOU SHOULD TAKE NOTE [00:15:01] OF THE PEOPLE HERE IN THE OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED ICE FACILITY AND BE MORE AFRAID OF HOW WE'LL VOTE IN THE NEXT ELECTION. THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THERE WILL BE NO IMPACT TO COMMUNITY SAFETY AND PERHAPS THAT'S TRUE. WHAT ABOUT THE IMPACT TO OUR TOWN AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE? WHAT ABOUT USAGE OF SEWERS AND WATER? WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE POLLUTION OF TRANSPORTING INMATES TO AND FROM THE FACILITY? WHAT ABOUT THE PROBLEMS AND THE SHAME THAT ACCOMPANIES CITIES AND TOWNS THAT HAVE ALLOWED THESE ICE FACILITIES TO EXIST? I REFER YOU TO THE INFORMATIONAL HANDOUT THAT I'VE ASKED TO HAVE PASSED OUT AND YOU WILL SEE A SAMPLING OF CITIES WHO'VE BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST THE ICE FACILITIES AND WHY AND MANY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. LASTLY, THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT MTC IS NOT A PROBLEMATIC COMPANY AND I REFER YOU ONCE AGAIN TO THE HANDOUT AND SHOW YOU THE MANY ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE, HORRIBLE CONDITIONS AND OVERCROWDING, NEGLIGENCE, FRAUD AND SECURITY FAILURES IN ITS HISTORY. HAS ANYBODY DONE ANY RESEARCH ON THIS COMPANY BECAUSE IT'S OUT THERE. TONIGHT SOUTH TUCSON IS CONSIDERING A RESOLUTION AGAINST THIS PROPOSED FACILITY. WHY CAN'T YOU? I'M GOING TO END THERE BECAUSE I HAVE MORE TO SAY BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE FACTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN ON THAT HANDOUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS RICHARD GUTHRIDGE FOLLOWED BY GAIL CHERRY. HOW'S IT GOING TONIGHT COUNCIL? I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. I JUST WANT TO SAY I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN IN US AND IMMIGRATION CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT. I LOVE MY COUNTRY, I BELIEVE IN LAW AND ORDER, AND I BELIEVE THAT A NATION WITHOUT BORDERS IS A NATION WITHOUT SOVEREIGNTY. SUPPORTING ICE IS NOT ABOUT CAUSING CHAOS, IT'S ABOUT PREVENTING CHAOS. IT'S ABOUT ENSURING THAT OUR COMMUNITIES REMAIN SAFE, SECURE, AND GOVERNED BY THE RULE OF LAW. OUR ICE AGENTS SERVE WITH PROFESSIONALISM AND COURAGE. EVERY DAY, THEY WORK TO REMOVE INDIVIDUALS WHO POSE THREATS TO PUBLIC SAFETY, COMBAT TRAFFICKING, AND ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS THAT WERE ENACTED BY CONGRESS. THEY DO NOT MAKE THE LAWS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, TOWN COUNCIL, YOU GUYS CAN MAKE RESOLUTIONS, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES MAKE A LOT OF LAWS WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATIONS AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT. THEY JUST KILL PEOPLE. NO, THEY DON'T. AND SO DO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, TOO. AND I HAVE MY TIME, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR TIME. HERE'S- ENOUGH, GIVE HIM HIS TIME, PLEASE. PLEASE, LET HIM HAVE HIS TIME. LET HIM HAVE HIS TIME. HERE IN THE GREAT TOWN OF MARANA, WE VALUE SAFETY, FAMILY, AND COMMUNITY. LET ME BE CLEAR HERE, THERE'S A LEGAL PROCESS FOR ENTERING THE COUNTRY, AND IF YOU WANT TO RESPECT THE LAW, YOU COME IN THROUGH THE LEGAL WAY. IT IS MORALLY IRRESPONSIBLE TO NOT ENFORCE THE LAW HERE IN THIS COUNTRY. SUPPORTING ICE MEANS SUPPORTING THE PRINCIPLE THAT LAWS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED, THAT COMMUNITIES DESERVE SAFETY, AND THAT CITIZENS CARRY MEANING. I LOVE MY COUNTRY, I BELIEVE IN PROTECTING MY PEOPLE, AND I'LL CONTINUE TO SECURE BORDERS, SAFE COMMUNITIES, AND RULE OF LAW, AND ALSO, AS WELL, IF PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN THE LEGAL WAY, I'M 100% FINE WITH THAT. MY ONLY ISSUE IS WHEN YOU CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY, AND I THINK IT'S A SHAME THAT JOE BIDEN ALLOWED ALL THESE PEOPLE INTO OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO PAY ALL THIS MONEY TO CLEAN UP THIS MESS THAT OUR PREVIOUS PRESIDENT LEFT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, HAVE A FANTASTIC DAY. YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! SO, REPEATEDLY, WE HAVE ASKED THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE HERE AT THE PODIUM, YOU REMAIN QUIET SO THAT THEY CAN BE HEARD. IT'S INTERESTING THAT WHEN PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO ICE, EVERYBODY'S REMAINED QUIET. WHAT WE WANT IS THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYBODY. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU AGREE WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, REMAIN QUIET SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS GAIL CHERRY. I LIVE IN ORO VALLEY WITH MY HUSBAND. AND I JUST CAME TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANT TO BE CLEAR IN MY MIND THAT YOU FOLKS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING INTO THIS COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT POLICE. POLICE ARE STANDING HERE UNMASKED, THEY'VE GOT BADGES. YOU KNOW, IF THEY PULLED ME OVER, I'D KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND I'D KNOW WHAT I'D BE DETAINED FOR. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ICE WHO OPERATES OUTSIDE OF THE LAW. THIS IS NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT, THIS IS NOT PRISONS THAT HAVE [00:20:01] REGULATIONS, THIS IS PRIVATE DETENTION CENTERS THAT OPERATE OUTSIDE THE LAW. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. THIS IS FROM A GUY FROM IRELAND. AND THIS HAS APPEARED ON THE IRISH NEWS. HIS NAME IS SEAMUS COHENTON. AND SEAMUS LIVED IN BOSTON, HE MARRIED AN AMERICAN. SO HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A GREEN CARD. ONCE YOU MARRY AN AMERICAN, YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY BECOME A CITIZEN, YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY GET A GREEN CARD. IT TAKES YEARS. HE'S IN THE PROCESS. HE WAS IN BOSTON WALKING HOME FROM WORK AND HE GOT ARRESTED, NOT ARRESTED, HE GOT DETAINED BY ICE. THEN HE GOT MOVED TO TEXAS. HE'S BEEN IN TEXAS FOR FIVE MONTHS AT FORT BLISS. HE HAS NO IDEA WHEN HE MIGHT BE RELEASED EVEN THOUGH HIS WIFE PAID A $4,000 BOND FOR HIS RELEASE. IN HIS WORDS, IT'S LIKE A CONCENTRATION CAMP. ABSOLUTE HELL. LARGE, COLD, DAMP ROOM. HE'S BEEN WITH 70 PLUS MEN. THREE MEN SINCE HE'S BEEN THERE HAVE DIED. ONE AT THE HANDS OF A STAFF MEMBER. HE'S IN FEAR FOR HIS LIFE. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THE STAFF. THERE'S BEEN FLOODING WITH FOUL WATER MIXED WITH URINE AND FECES. THERE'S NO MEDICAL CARE. THERE'S LACK OF FOOD. SO SEAMUS IS YOUNG AND HE'S A BIG GUY AND HE GETS KID-SIZED MEALS IF HE GETS A MEAL. SO HE'S STARVING. THERE'S NO OUTSIDE TIME. THERE'S NO FRESH AIR. THERE'S NO WINDOWS. THERE'S NO SUNSHINE. THE TOILETS AND SHOWER ARE COMPLETELY NASTY AND NEVER CLEAN. AND THIS MAN HAS NO IDEA WHEN HE'LL BE RELEASED. NOW, IF YOU THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO WELCOME INTO THIS COMMUNITY, THIS TYPE OF EVIL, THEN YOU'RE DEPRAVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DONALD BRISTOW FOLLOWED BY EVIE MACDONALD. DONALD BRISTOL RAN A RESIDENT THERE AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE TOWN MANAGER HAS SAID AT LEAST TWO THINGS REGARDING THE VACANT PRISON THAT MTC HAS PURCHASED. ONE, THE TOWN WANTS THE PRISON TO REOPEN. AND SECOND, MTC OFFICIALS HAVE TOLD HIM MONTHS AGO THAT THEY MAY USE A PRISON AS A NICE DETENTION FACILITY. WHY WAS THE TOWN ACTIVELY PURSUING A BUYER FOR THE PRISON? AND WHY SHOULD MTC PURCHASE A PRISON? THE ANSWERS TO BOTH QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE, MONEY. THE TOWN GETS MORE TAX REVENUE. THE PRISON PURCHASE PRICE WAS ATTRACTIVE. THUS, MTC HAS A POTENTIAL FOR GOOD RETURNS ON THEIR INVESTMENT. HOWEVER, MTC IS RESTRICTED TO THE TYPE OF INMATES THEY CAN HOUSE BY THE TOWN-PLACED OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS. THEREFORE, MTC MUST FIND OUT-OF-STATE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, OR FEDERAL PRISONERS TO HOUSE. THESE RESTRICTIONS WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO FILL THE 500-BED BEDS AT ABOVE THE CURRENT PRIVATE PRISON MARKET CONTRACTED PRICES. WITH ICE DETENTIONS, THERE ARE NO SUCH RESTRICTIONS. AND ICE CONTRACTOR PRICES PER BED IS MUCH GREATER THAN THE PRIVATE PRISON MARKET CONTRACTED PRICES. MCT GAINS TO APPROXIMATELY $21,000 MORE PER BED ANNUALLY BY CONTRACTING WITH ICE. ONCE UNDER ICE SUPERVISION, THIS FACILITY COULD AND PROBABLY WILL INCREASE THE AVAILABLE BEDS FROM 500 TO 01,000, THUS REALIZING ADDITIONAL ANNUAL REVENUE OVER $10 MILLION. THE TOWN SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS SITE COULD BE USED AS AN ICE DETENTION FACILITY, YET THEY TOOK NO ACTION TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. NO RESOLUTIONS, NO NEW ZONING RESTRICTIONS, AND NO NEW ORDINANCE OR OTHER ACTIONS. NOW THE MAYOR IS TELLING THE CITIZENS OF MARANA THAT THE TOWN CANNOT PREVENT MTC FROM IMPLEMENTING WHATEVER BUSINESS PLAN THEY PREFER. THERE ARE CLEAR DIFFERENCES [00:25:01] BETWEEN A PRISON AND AN ICE DETENTION FACILITIES. THESE DIFFERENCES NEED TO BE EVALUATED AND DETERMINED IF A DETENTION FACILITY IS AN ALLOWED USE UNDER THE CURRENT APPROVED PRISON USAGE. WERE THE CITIZENS OF MARANA SURVEYED OR ASKED WHAT THEIR OPINIONS WERE? IS THE MONEY THE ONLY THING IMPORTANT IN THIS DECISION? WILL THE TOWN EVER NEGOTIATE WITH MTC TO MINIMIZE ALL THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO OUR TOWN AND THE CITIZENS? MAYOR POST, THE RESIDENTS ARE SEEKING LOCAL CHANGES, LOCAL POLICY CHANGES. WE ARE CONTRACTING YOU AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO NOT OUR ARIZONA OR US MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. PLEASE, LET'S LISTEN TO US. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS REVEREND DR. ABBY MCDONALD, FOLLOWED BY CAROL BRADDOCK. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND OTHERS. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, AND I STAND BEFORE YOU FRIGHTENED, FRIGHTENED FOR MY COUNTRY, FRIGHTENED FOR MY LIFE, FRIGHTENED FOR THE PRINCIPLES THAT MY DAD, MAJOR RAY MCDONALD, FOUGHT FOR IN WORLD WAR II AND LIVED FOR ALL OF HIS LIFE AND THE PRINCIPLES THAT HE TAUGHT ME, PRINCIPLES OF JUSTICE, PRINCIPLES OF TAKING CARE OF THE LEAST, PRINCIPLES OF STANDING FIRM IN WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS ARE OUR GUIDELINES AND OUR RULES. I STAND HERE AFRAID BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM PEOPLE TONIGHT. WE ARE DIVIDED. HOW DO WE COME TOGETHER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION? HOW DO WE SAY AND LIVE THE WORDS THAT WE SAID IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TODAY? ONE NATION, UNITED, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WERE THOSE JUST, EMPTY WORDS? I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCIL WANTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR MY MARANA THAT I AM A CITIZEN OF, AND I STAND BY THAT, AND I WANT THAT ALSO. BUT I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR ACTIONS AND OUR CHOICES INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY. AND IF THIS ICE DETENTION CENTER GOES THROUGH, AND IF IT IS AS HORRIBLE AS PEOPLE AND CONGRESS PEOPLE HAVE REPORTED OTHERS TO BE, THAT WILL BE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT WILL BE YOUR CROSS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO CARRY. AND IF ANYBODY INNOCENT IS ARRESTED, IF ANYBODY A LEGAL CITIZEN IS DETAINED, IF ANYBODY IS KILLED OR DIES IN THAT CENTER, THEY ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND I THINK THAT THERE IS MORE TO THINK ABOUT THAN JUST THE RULE OF LAW. I THINK THERE IS MUCH MORE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, HOW DO WE DEVELOP OUR COMMUNITY TO BE THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE? HOW DO WE BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER WHO ARE ON OPPOSITE SIDES, STRONGLY ON OPPOSITE SIDES, WHEN WE ALL CAN SAY, OR I WON'T SAY THAT COULD NOT BE TRUE, WHEN I CAN SAY, I LOVE MY COUNTRY. I CHERISH MY COUNTRY. I HAD A FATHER WHO FOUGHT FOR MY COUNTRY. I HAD UNCLES WHO FOUGHT FOR MY COUNTRY. I COME FROM A MILITARY FAMILY. MY DAD WAS MILITARY AND NATIONAL GUARD AND WAS A CHEMICAL NUCLEAR TACTICAL WARFARE SPECIALIST. AND SO THAT WAS MY BACKGROUND. AND HE ALSO SAID, EVIE, THERE'S NO JUST WAR. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CAROL BRADDOCK, FOLLOWED BY COLIN MELLORS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR POST AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I LIVE IN TUCSON, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE MARANA COUNCIL. MY NIECE'S FIANCE IS A YOUNG CUBAN WITH NO CRIMINAL RECORD WHO HAS WORKED AS AN AMAZON DELIVERY DRIVER. HE DID EXACTLY WHAT OUR SYSTEM ASKED OF HIM. HE SHOWED UP REGULARLY FOR HIS ASYLUM CHECK-INS IN MICHIGAN. AT HIS JANUARY 22 APPOINTMENT, HE STOPPED BEING A PERSON AND JUST BECAME A NUMBER, AN ALIEN NUMBER. [00:30:02] ICE FLEW HIM TO LOUISIANA AND TOOK HIS PHONE. FROM THEN ON, HE HAD TO ASK OTHER PEOPLE IN CUSTODY TO BORROW THEIR PHONES, THOSE THAT HADN'T HAD THEIR PHONES CONFISCATED. IMAGINE YOUR LOVED ONE DISAPPEARING INTO A SYSTEM WHERE YOU CANNOT REACH THEM. THEN HE CALLED US FROM FLORENCE. I CHECKED TWICE A DAY TO SEE IF HE COULD HAVE VISITORS, AND I WAS READY TO DROP EVERYTHING TO GET THERE. BUT ON DAY FOUR, I WAS TOLD HE HAD BEEN MOVED TO NOGALES, MEXICO. I WOULD HAVE GONE TO SEE HIM IN NOGALES. I'VE GONE THERE FOR DENTAL WORK AND SO PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. BUT NO ONE COULD TELL ME WHO HAD HIM, NOT ICE, NOT BORDER PATROL, AND NOT THE PORT OF ENTRY. A BORDER PATROL EMPLOYEE ACTUALLY SAID TO ME, HE'S YOUNG. HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. IF YOUR CHILD VANISHED, WOULD THAT RESPONSE BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? JUST FIGURE IT OUT? THEN WE WERE TOLD HE WAS FLOWN TO TAPACHULA, MEXICO, A CITY THAT IS KNOWN FOR CARTEL VIOLENCE AND KIDNAPPINGS AND NOW LOCAL CHARITIES THAT ARE OVERWHELMED WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DUMPED IN THE STREET. THAT'S WHAT RELEASE MEANS, DUMPED IN THE STREET. TWO DAYS LATER, WE LEARNED THAT WASN'T EVEN ACCURATE. HE WAS ACTUALLY PUT ON A TWO-DAY BUS TRIP TO TAPACHULA. THAT'S HOW CHAOTIC THIS PROCESS IS. WHEN WE FINALLY HEARD FROM HIM IN TAPACHULA, HE WAS ILL FROM CONTAMINATED WATER AND VOMITING IN THE STREET. THIS IS NOT PUBLIC SAFETY. HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY OF US IN MARANA OR IN ANY COMMUNITY SAFER? HOW DOES ABANDONING PEOPLE IN DANGEROUS LOCATIONS MAKE ANY OF US MORE SECURE? I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO COMMIT THAT MARANA WILL NOT SUPPORT, FUND, OR COOPERATE WITH THIS CRUEL DISORDER. BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, IT REFLECTS WHO YOU ARE AND WHO WE ARE. AND WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, YOU CAN'T HONESTLY CLAIM THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE DOING TO PEOPLE WHO POSE NO THREAT TO US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS COLIN MILLERS, FOLLOWED BY SHIRLEY KANE. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, TOWN COUNCIL. I'M BACK HERE AFTER SEVERAL MEETINGS BECAUSE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS AND TOPICS JUST HAVEN'T SET WELL. AND I FEEL A NEED TO SAY SOMETHING AGAIN. YOU'VE REPEATEDLY SAID THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO LEGALLY ABOUT MTC BUYING THE PRISON FACILITY, AND DECIDING WHAT TO DO WITH IT. THAT KIND OF THINKING IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM. IT'S NARROW, IT'S PASSIVE, AND IT IGNORES THE REALITY IN FRONT OF YOU. MTC, AS YOU SAID, IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. THIS IS A BUSINESS TRANSACTION. THEY'RE HERE FOR A RETURN. SO IF YOU STEP OUT OF THE BLACK AND WHITE LEGAL FRAMING FOR A FEW MINUTES WITH SOME BASIC DUE DILIGENCE, YOU CAN START TO ESTIMATE WHAT THAT RETURN LOOKS LIKE. YOU CAN LOOK AT COMPARABLE PUBLIC COMPANIES IN THE PRIVATE PRISON INDUSTRY, LIKE CORECIVIC, AND START TO SEE, AS A REFERENCE POINT, WHAT A FACILITY LIKE THIS MEANS TO A COMPANY LIKE MTC. YOU CAN START TO SEE WHAT IT'S WORTH IN A PER-BED, PER-YEAR PROFIT NUMBER FOR A FACILITY LIKE THAT, ABOUT $1.6 MILLION. NOW, PUTTING A SIMPLE REALISTIC HORIZON ON THAT FACILITY FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS, YOU CAN ASSUME THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING TO GET ABOUT $5 MILLION WORTH OF PROFIT OUT OF THAT NUMBER. ROUNDING. HERE'S MY POINT. IF THIS IS A BUSINESS DEAL, TREAT IT LIKE A BUSINESS DEAL. A BUYOUT OR SOME KIND OF A TRANSACTION ROUGHLY IN THE $20 MILLION RANGE IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT FROM A RETURN THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT ON THIS. YOU CAN SHOW UP TO TALK TO MTC AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THIS. THEY'RE A BUSINESS. BEING ABLE TO GET A CLEAN, STRONG RETURN AND A CLEAN EXIT WITHOUT THE TROUBLE OF RENOVATIONS, STAFFING, TURNOVER, COMMUNITY BACKLASH, OR OTHER OPERATIONAL HEADACHES IS A RELATIVELY EASY DECISION AT A BUSINESS LEVEL. HOW YOU STRUCTURE THAT $20 MILLION IS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S NOT AN IMAGINARY DISCUSSION. THIS IS A REGIONAL ISSUE. THIS MEANS COUNTY AND NEIGHBORING GOVERNMENTS ALL HAVE A STAKE AND SHOULD BE AT THE TABLE FOR THIS KIND OF A DISCUSSION. THERE ARE WAYS TO EXPLORE APPROACHES AROUND EXISTING RESOURCES, STAFFING REALITIES, [00:35:01] AND BUDGET PRIORITIES WITH ALL OF THESE COMMUNITY PARTNERS, USING TOOLS AT EVERYONE'S DISPOSAL TO HELP TRY AND RESOLVE THIS ISSUE. THE BIGGER ISSUE HERE IS THAT WITH A BARE MINIMUM OF RESEARCH, ANALYSIS, AND CREATIVITY, YOU START TO OPEN UP AN ENTIRELY NEW SET OF OPTIONS TO HOW TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM, OPTIONS THAT CAN PREVENT THIS FACILITY FROM LANDING HERE AND NEGATIVELY IMPACTING NOT JUST MARANA, BUT ALL OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA, AS WE HAVE SEEN IN NUMEROUS COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO I'M ASKING YOU THIS. STOP HIDING BEHIND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. CREATE A WORKING GROUP. DO THE INDEPENDENT RESEARCH. BRING RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES, AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TOGETHER IN A SOLUTION-FOCUSED PROCESS THAT EVALUATES ALTERNATIVES RATHER THAN DISMISSING THEM, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW ISN'T LEADERSHIP. IT'S TUNNEL VISION. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SHIRLEY KANE FOLLOWED BY NOELIA EUCARPICCIO. HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SHIRLEY KANE AND IF YOU HADN'T ALREADY MADE THAT OBSERVATION, I'M OLD. I AM SO OLD THAT I FIND MYSELF WITH BLOCKS OF TIME TO SIT IN MY NICE GREEN RECLINER AND LET MY MIND HANG OPEN AND STUFF POPS IN. STUFF LIKE, GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUNGRY MASSES. WHEN THAT FIRST POPS IN, I GET THIS NICE LITTLE WARM FEELING IN MY HEART. AND THEN, OH MY GOD, WHAT A SICK, TERRIBLE JOKE THAT IS THESE DAYS. I JUST CANNOT, IN MY BIGGEST MIND, IMAGINE WHAT THOSE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH. HOW ON EARTH DID WE GET TO THIS STATE OF AFFAIRS? BUT I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING IN MY NICE, COMFORTABLE LITTLE APARTMENT AND I EAT A GOOD SELECTION OF DELICIOUS FOOD. AND I DRIVE MY CAR TO MY DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS AND I WONDER, WHAT AM I DOING ABOUT THIS? WHAT CAN I DO THAT WOULD RELIEVE THIS SITUATION? AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ANY IDEAS FOR ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR THEM. I THINK, SOMETIMES I THINK, WELL, MAYBE WHAT I NEED IS A DETENTION FACILITY THERE OUTSIDE MY WINDOW. SO I CAN LOOK AT THAT AND THINK, OH, I KNOW, I'LL TAKE OVER SOME CHICKEN SOUP AND THAT'LL MAKE THINGS BETTER THERE. I'LL TAKE THEM SOME ASPIRIN OR SOME FEMININE SUPPLIES. I'M SURE THAT'LL CURE IT, WHATEVER IT IS. OR MAYBE, WHEN THERE'S THAT FACILITY, I'LL COME UP WITH A GROUP OF MY FRIENDS AND WE'LL GO OUT AND MARCH AROUND AND PROTEST IT AND WAVE SIGNS. [00:40:02] THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHIRLEY. APPRECIATE THAT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS NOELIA UCAPICHO, FOLLOWED BY KIMBERLY MCALLISTER. GOOD EVENING. I AM NOELIA. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN ARIZONA. AND FOR ALL, YEAH, FOR ALL MY LIFE. AND I'M HERE TO ENCOURAGE THE MARANA TOWN COUNCIL TO PASS AN ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION TO BAR THE OPENING OF THE POSSIBLE ICE DETENTION CENTER IN MARANA. AS WE KNOW, ICE PROFILES AND PICKS UP PEOPLE BASED ON HOW THEY LOOK, HOW THEY SPEAK, AND OTHER SURFACE LEVEL THINGS, THEIR MAIN TARGET BEING ILLEGAL MEXICANS. I AM NOT IN DANGER OF SUCH PROFILING, BUT MY HUSBAND IS. SKIN FEATURES AND EVERYTHING, HE FITS THE PROFILE. HE'S NATIVE AMERICAN. I WON'T GET INTO HOW THAT'S SUPER IRONIC. SO INSTEAD, I WILL APPEAL TO THE CARE THAT YOU HOLD FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE YOU CARE FOR AMERICANS. ISN'T THAT RIGHT? MANAGEMENT TRAINING CORP, THE MTC, WHO WANTS TO OPEN THE CORRECTIONS FACILITY HAS A TERRIBLE RECORD AS A CORRECTIONS FACILITY. THEY CAME IN PRISON RIOTS IN 2015, CAUSED INJURY, DESTRUCTION, AND THE RELOCATION OF A THIRD OF THEIR PRISONERS FROM IT. THE RIOT WAS INVESTIGATED AND FOUND TO BE DUE TO DISMAL PRISON CONDITIONS AND EXCESSIVE FORCE FROM STAFF. GOVERNOR DOUG DUCEY THEN CANCELED THE CONTRACT WITH THE PRISON AFTERWARDS. AS HAPPY AS I AM THAT A DIFFERENCE WAS MADE, IT WAS MADE THROUGH INJURY AND DESTRUCTION. HE SAID NO THEN, AND YOU CAN SAY NO NOW TOO, TOWN COUNCIL. I CAN LIST MANY MORE OF MTC'S TERRIBLE RECORD AS A CORRECTIONS FACILITY, WHICH I'M WILLING TO SHARE AFTER THIS MEETING, BUT WITH THEIR RECORD, MANY AMERICANS AND NON-AMERICANS ARE IN DANGER OF DYING IN DISMAL PRISON CONDITIONS WHILE THEIR CITIZENSHIP IS BEING PROCESSED. DUE PROCESS IS LITERALLY THE LAST AND LEAST THING THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE DETENTION CENTER OFFICIALLY AT A FUTURE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, AND I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER SUCH A THING. THINKING THAT THE DETENTION CENTER DECISION WON'T AFFECT YOUR CONSTITUENTS IS SIMPLY INCORRECT, BECAUSE ANY OF THEM CAN BE PICKED UP BY ICE. WHETHER OR NOT THEY SURVIVE THE DETAINMENT IS VERY MUCH UP TO CHANCE. ARE THOSE AMERICAN LIVES ONES THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO GAMBLE FOR? OR WILL YOU HOLD CORRECTION FACILITIES RESPONSIBLE, CONDUCT INSPECTIONS, AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PRISONERS ARE OKAY AND ABLE TO FIND JUSTICE IN THE FACE OF MISTREATMENT? I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THAT EVERYONE, ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, ALL OF THE TOPICS HAVE BEEN RELATED TO ICE. THIS, I HOPE YOU PICK UP ON, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN INTEREST ON BOTH SIDES, WHETHER THEY SUPPORT OR DISAPPROVE OF ICE. SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KIMBERLY MCALLISTER, FOLLOWED BY DAVE SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR POST, VICE MAYOR ZIEGLER, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KIMBERLY MCALLISTER. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF MARANA FOR THE PAST 34 YEARS, AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT HERE. MY HUSBAND AND I RAISED OUR SEVEN KIDS HERE. THEY ALL ATTENDED PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THE MARANA SCHOOL DISTRICT, ALL GRADUATED FROM MOUNTAIN VIEW HIGH SCHOOL. WE HAVE 18 GRANDKIDS, WHO ARE MOSTLY ALL HOMESCHOOLED, BUT THEY ALL PLAY SPORTS ON TEAMS IN MARANA. AND JUST A SIDE NOTE, ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO EVERY YEAR IS TO TAKE MY GRANDKIDS TO THE PUMPKIN PATCH, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT LITTLE TREASURE IN MARANA. I ATTEND CHURCH IN MARANA. I TEACH AT A GYM IN MARANA. I SHOP IN MARANA. IT IS MY HOME. I HAVE DEEP ROOTS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A MARANA TOWN COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW UP TODAY TO SAY THAT WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THIS ROOM, I WATCHED IT ON VIDEO, [00:45:02] DOES NOT REPRESENT THE MARANA THAT I HAVE KNOWN FOR THE PAST 34 YEARS, THAT I KNOW TODAY. IT JUST DOESN'T. I LOVE LIVING IN MARANA BECAUSE IT IS NEUTRAL, IT IS COMMON SENSE, AND IT IS FOR LAW AND ORDER. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE SHOWING UP TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT AN ICE FACILITY IN MARANA. THAT'S FINE, WE ALL GET TO HAVE OUR OPINIONS, BUT WHAT I SAW TWO WEEKS AGO, MOST PEOPLE WERE ONLY THERE TO ATTACK AND SLANDER ICE. NOT ALL, BUT MOST. AND IN MY OPINION, THEY ACTED LIKE SPOILED BRATTY, UNDISCIPLINED CHILDREN WHO WERE NOT GETTING THEIR WAY, AND IT WAS WHAT I SAW WAS SO OUT OF CHARACTER FOR WHAT WE ARE USED TO HERE IN MARANA. I'M PRETTY SURE I HEARD SOMEONE TELL ALL OF YOU THAT YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS. IT WAS EMOTIONAL, IT WAS DRAMATIC, AND IT WAS RIDICULOUS. I WANTED TO SHOW UP TODAY TO VOICE MY OPINION AND TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR ICE. PRESIDENT TRUMP RAN ON A PROMISE TO CLOSE THE BORDER AND TO DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS, AND HE WON THAT ELECTION. PROMISES MADE, PROMISES KEPT. THIS IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT, INCLUDING IN ARIZONA. TRUMP WON ARIZONA, HE WON EVERY SWING STATE, HE WON THE POPULAR VOTE, AND ICE IS SIMPLY DOING THEIR JOBS. THEY ARE ENFORCING EXISTING LAW, AND THEY ARE BEING TERRORIZED FOR IT. IT IS SHAMEFUL. IF ICE NEEDS A DETENTION CENTER TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS, THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE. AND JUST ONE CLOSING THOUGHT. I THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT WHEN OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT, HE DEPORTED 3 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS OVER HIS EIGHT YEARS. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DEPORTED UNDER 1 MILLION, AND IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD. WHEN TOM HOLMAN WORKED FOR OBAMA AS HEAD OF DEPORTATION OPS, OBAMA GAVE HIM THE PRESIDENTIAL RANK AWARD FOR DISTINGUISHED SERVICE, AND NOW THAT HE WORKS FOR TRUMP, HE IS A MURDEROUS RACIST WHO IS COMPARED TO THE GESTAPO. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO ISN'T REALLY ABOUT AN ICE FACILITY IN MARANA, BUT IT'S ABOUT WHO IS IN CHARGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ON THE SCHEDULE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY OPINION, AND IT REPRESENTS EVERYONE I KNOW, WHICH IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE KEEP MARANA, MARANA. NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVE SMITH, FOLLOWED BY BRATTANY SMITH. WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, TERRY ROSAMOND. I TELL YOU, OUR FORMER CHIEF, WE HAVE A FABULOUS POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE. WE HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY. WE'RE SAFE. THE SAFEST COMMUNITY IS AMAZING BECAUSE WE FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW. WE HAVE WELL-TRAINED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO RISK THEIR LIVES TO KEEP YOU SAFE EVERY DAY. 51 YEARS AGO, I WAS A CITY COP HERE IN TUCSON, AND I WENT TO DPS, AND I WAS BACK DOWN HERE IN NARCOTICS ENFORCEMENT. THIS BORDER IS DANGEROUS, MAN, AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF MAKING THIS COMMUNITY VERY SAFE. NOW, I'VE SPENT THE LAST 35 YEARS TRAINING LAW ENFORCEMENT NATIONALLY. CUSTOMS, BORDER PATROL, VERY PROFESSIONAL. THE PROBLEM IS, GANG, WE HEAR THIS DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRACY. WE HAD AN ELECTION, AND ONE OF THE REASONS TRUMP WON WAS BECAUSE FOR FOUR YEARS WE HAD A BORDER THAT WAS OPEN. WE HAD TWO MILLION GOTAWAYS. NOW, I HAPPEN TO HAVE BEEN RUNNING A TRAINING COMPANY ON 9-11, AND I STUDIED THAT. YOU KNOW, THOSE 19 GUYS SHUT THIS COUNTRY DOWN. WE HAVE TWO MILLION GOTAWAYS. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT WE KNOW THIS, THE COMMUNITY, THE UNITED STATES COMMUNITY, AND THIS COMMUNITY HERE WANTS CRIMINAL ALIENS REMOVED. NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT? YOU DEMAND PROCESS. YOU KNOW THIS BUSINESS, WELL, I NEED A JUDICIAL WARRANT. NO, IT'S NOT. NO, IT'S NOT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? IT IS IMMIGRATION LAW. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME ALTOGETHER. BUT THE THING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE ILLEGALLY HERE. RIGHT AWAY, THAT'S THE CRIME. BUT THEN THEY DO CRIMINALITY, AND THEY GET A WARRANT, AND THEY GO AFTER THEM. IT'S A CIVIL WARRANT, AND THEY TAKE THEM OUT. NOW, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT THIS WAS CREATED BY THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, AND WE'VE HAD A WONDERFUL MEDIA THAT MAINTAINS SILENCE, SO NOBODY SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND. IT'S A CRISIS CREATED BY THE PARTY THAT LOST THE ELECTION, AND THE THING IS THIS. WE HAVE GOT A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT [00:50:01] TO RESOLVE THIS. WE ARE THE RULE OF LAW. YES, WE ARE THE RULE OF LAW, AND THE RULE OF EMOTION LEADS TO TYRANNY. THAT'S THE REAL TYRANNY. IF YOU DON'T LIKE A LAW, YOU'LL HAVE TO GET IT CHANGED THROUGH THE PROCESS. THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC THAT WE LIVE IN. NOW, THE THING IS, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AND RECOGNIZE THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE THAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS FACILITIES TO PROCESS PEOPLE, AND I KNOW THERE'S ALL THESE WONDERFULLY INTENSE ANECDOTES, BUT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW, AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT COMMUNITY YOU'VE GIVEN US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BRANTLEY SMITH FOLLOWED BY MARIE VOORHEES. OH, YES, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY LOUSY INTONATION. OH, GOSH, YEAH, BETSY. HI, COUNCIL. SORRY I DIDN'T GET THE MEMO ABOUT COSTUMES AND THEATRICAL PERFORMANCES. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SO MUCH MORE FUN. BUT I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT I CAME TO TALK ABOUT. I'VE BEEN A HOMEOWNER HERE SINCE 2010, AND YOU KNOW WHY I BOUGHT MY HOUSE HERE? BECAUSE A BUNCH OF MARANA POLICE OFFICERS TOLD ME IN 2010, I MET A BUNCH OF THEM ON THE STREET, AND I SAID, WHERE DO YOU GUYS LIVE? AND THEY SAID, RIGHT HERE. AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I'M GOING TO BUY IN THAT SUBDIVISION. AND WE HAVE TUCSON POLICE OFFICERS, BORDER PATROL, ALL OF THAT. AND THEY ALL SAID, EVERYBODY I TALKED TO SAID, MOVE TO MARANA, ARIZONA, BECAUSE IT'S SAFE. AND BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NICE AND THEY'RE TERRIFIC. AND AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER, THIS IS WHERE I WANTED TO LIVE WHERE IT WAS SAFE. AND I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU THAT THE LIES AND HYSTERIA ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT THAT I'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT ARE JUST, THEY'RE EXTRAORDINARY. AND THEY'RE LIES. I'M ASSUMING THE COUNCIL ALL KNOWS THAT THEY'RE JUST EXTRAORDINARY LIES. ICE AGENTS ARE JUST FEDERAL POLICE OFFICERS. THERE'S ABOUT 80 FEDERAL POLICE AGENCIES. THEY ALL GO TO THE SAME POLICE ACADEMY. MY HUSBAND TAUGHT THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND THEY'RE ALSO OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR FRIENDS, AND THEY GO TO OUR CHURCH. AND NOBODY REALLY CARED WHAT THEY WERE DOING FOR THE LAST 22 YEARS UNTIL DONALD TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT. AND THEN IT JUST BECAME HYSTERIA. AND YET, EVEN WHILE THE ATTACKS ON ICE AGENTS ARE UP OVER 01,300 PERCENT, THANKS TO THE DOXING, THANKS TO THE LIES ABOUT THESE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN, A THIRD OF WHO ARE HISPANIC, BY THE WAY, HALF OF WHO ARE MILITARY VETERANS, AND ABOUT A THIRD ARE ALSO HAVE BEEN POLICE OFFICERS IN MUNICIPAL AGENCIES, AND THEY DECIDED TO COME TO ICE. THEY HAVE RECOVERED OVER HALF OF THE 300,000 MIGRANT CHILDREN THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION LOST. CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN RAPED. CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN TRAFFICKED. CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN ABUSED. AND YOU HEAR THESE PEOPLE LAUGHING ABOUT CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN RAPED. I HOPE YOU FIND THAT AS DISGUSTING AND AS EXTRAORDINARY AS I DO. MR. TOWN MANAGER, COULD YOU, WE CAN'T HEAR. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CHATTER GOING ON HERE. THAT'S, THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE. IT'S JUST INAPPROPRIATE. DO I GET TO SAY I RECLAIMED MY TIME? I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THAT. YOU CAN GO FOR ANOTHER MINUTE. THANK YOU. THEY CONTINUE TO BRING IN CHILD MOLESTERS, THESE ICE AGENTS. THEY CONTINUE TO BRING IN GANGBANGERS AND MURDERERS. THEY'RE NOT DISAPPEARING ANYONE OFF THE STREET. THEY'RE NOT RACIALLY PROFILING. LIKE I SAID, AT LEAST A THIRD OF THEM ARE BROWN THEMSELVES. THEY'RE DOING THE JOB CONGRESS IS TELLING THEM TO DO. THE CONGRESS PEOPLE THAT WE ELECTED. BUT PART OF THIS SILLY, CHILDISH, AND EMOTIONAL ATTACK ON FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS LED TO AN ATTACK ON OUR MARANA POLICE OFFICERS. AND I FIND THAT ABHORRENT AND OFFENSIVE. THIS MARANA POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT PROTECTS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US EVERY SINGLE NIGHT WHILE WE'RE HERE. AND BY THE WAY, FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE, IT'S NOT PRONOUNCED MARANA. IT'S PRONOUNCED MARANA. THAT'S HOW WE SAY IT. IT'S NOT SPANISH, GUYS. JUST SO YOU KNOW. BUT OUR MARANA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A DOUBLY ACCREDITED POLICE AGENCY. THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE WELL TRAINED AND WELL RESPECTED. AND WHEN YOU CALL, THEY COME. THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE TUCSON POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHO IS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF POLICE OFFICERS SHORT. OUR MARANA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS [00:55:03] THERE WHEN WE NEED THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE EMOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. DID I GET TO RECLAIM MY TIME? ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME, TERRY. IT'S GOT TO STOP OR LET'S REMOVE THESE PEOPLE. OKAY, FOLKS. AGAIN, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY THIS. YOU'RE ALL ADULTS. YEAH. YOU'RE ALL ADULTS. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU IN HERE ARE ADULTS. AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO KEEP SAYING THIS. WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE IS UP THERE SPEAKING, YOU NEED TO REMAIN QUIET. OKAY. SO DID OTHER PEOPLE. SO DID OTHER PEOPLE. AND IT'S THE MAYOR'S RESPONSIBILITY, NOT THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. OKAY. MY NAME IS MARIE VOORHEES AND I LIVE HERE IN MARANA FOR ABOUT 19 YEARS. THANK YOU. I'M JUST HERE TO PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, I ASK YOUR BLESSING TO BE OVER THIS COUNCIL. I ASK YOUR BLESSING TO BE OVER EVERY PERSON IN THIS ROOM. HOLY SPIRIT, YOU RULE. YOU SEE THERE'S CHAOS AND DIVISION. PEOPLE HAVE HURTING STORIES TO TELL. LORD, WE JUST PUT THIS ALL IN YOUR HANDS. AND SO, LORD, I JUST ASK THAT YOU BLESS EACH PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL, THAT YOU GIVE THEM KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS. I ASK THAT YOU PROTECT EACH PERSON HERE. I ASK THAT YOU PROTECT OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OUR ICE AGENTS. AND JUST BE WITH US. AND WE JUST, I LIFT THIS ALL UP IN YOUR NAME. IN THE PRECIOUS NAME OF OUR HEAVENLY LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. AMEN. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PHYLLIS FARINGA, FOLLOWED BY MARTHA THOMPSON. MAYOR, COUNCIL, MY NAME IS PHYLLIS M. FARINGA. I'M A LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF MARANA, THE FOUNDER OF THE MARANA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND A FORMER WHITE HOUSE DELEGATE. LAST TOWN HALL MEETING, FEBRUARY 6TH, JOHN POST, APPOINTED MAYOR OF MARANA, ANNOUNCED TO THE AUDIENCE THAT MARANA IS A BIPARTISAN TOWN AND WILL REMAIN A BIPARTISAN TOWN. THE APPOINTED MAYOR IS CORRECT BECAUSE CORRUPTION, HARM FOR PROFIT, NEPOTISM, COLLUSION, CIVIL RIGHTS, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND SKETCHY APPOINTMENTS ARE BIPARTISAN ISSUES THAT, AS AMERICANS, UNITE US ALL. THE DATA CENTER AND THE REFERENDUM IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. THAT BEING SAID, THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND. WE ARE UNITED THAT MARANA TOWN COUNCIL AND ITS SUPPORTERS HAVE LOST THEIR MORAL RIGHT TO LEAD. I WANT TO THANK WORKER POWER COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS AND NO MORE DATA CENTERS FOR COMING TO OUR AID, BUT THE BATTLE TO DRAIN THIS SWAMP HAS ONLY BEGUN. INSTEAD OF REPRESENTATION, VOTERS GOT SELF-PRESERVATIONISTS AND A HARM FOR PROFIT MASTER PLAN FINANCED BY THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY AND LAND DEVELOPERS POSING AS FARMERS. THIS HARM FOR PROFIT AGENDA WILL NOT THINK TWICE ABOUT VIOLATING THE FAIR HOUSING ACT OR THE VIOLENT CRIME CONTROL AND ENFORCEMENT ACT OF 1994. VOTING INTEGRITY? THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. EYES ARE WATCHING YOU, MARANA, AND JUDGMENT DAY IS COMING FOR YOU. IMAGINE HOW THE HARM AND PROFIT SCHEMES EMOTIONALLY, FINANCIALLY, AND MENTALLY WITH THE BLOOMQUIST, CUMMINGS, CHAMBERLAIN, AND BLOWERS INDIVIDUALS ARRESTED FOR A HIKING AND EASEMENT TRAIL IN DOVE MOUNTAIN. CRONY DEVELOPER FINNEY WORKED OUT A DEAL WITH THE TOWN OF MARANA TO HAVE THEM ARRESTED. THERE WAS SO MUCH CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN MARANA'S COURT SYSTEM, THE CASE WAS MOVED SWITCHED TO ORO VALLEY AND PIMA COUNTY. OUTCOME, MARANA ABUSED THEIR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. CHAMBERLAIN'S CASE WAS EXPANDED AND FOUND COUNCILPERSON ZIEGLER INTIMIDATING AND INFLUENCING A WITNESS. IMAGINE MY DELIGHT WHEN SPECIAL FBI FIELD AGENT JACK KELLY KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND WANTED TO BORROW THE KEYS TO MY CORVETTE. MANY OF THE MARANA CITIZENS WHO QUESTIONED MARANA'S MASTER PLAN AND THE GANGSTERS ENFORCING THIS PLAN WERE HARASSED AND PUT UNDER HOUSE ARREST. IMAGINE MY DELIGHT WHEN CHIEF RADCLIFFE WAS SURPRISED WHEN SPECIAL FBI AGENT KELLY FLASHED HIS BADGE. [01:00:01] THIS LED DPS AND WAS ABLE TO TAKE OVER AND REMOVE CHIEF RADCLIFFE, BARBARA HONEY, CLERK, MAGISTRATE ED KLEIN FROM MARANA'S STREETS. BARBARA HONEY HAD JAIL TIME. THERE ARE ONLY TWO EXAMPLES OF CORRUPTION IN MARANA. THE HARM FOR PROFIT SCHEME AND BACKDOOR DEALS ARE DOCUMENTED AND THERE IS A PATTERN. UH, MS. MAYER, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT SHE SAID AGAINST ME. SHOULD WE DO THAT NOW OR DO WE WAIT TILL AFTERWARDS? WAIT, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARTHA THOMPSON FOLLOWED BY CHRIS BASS. HELLO EVERYONE. IT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE AND I PROBABLY SPENT A COUPLE OF HOURS AWAKE LAST NIGHT PLANNING ON COMING AND TELLING YOU WHY I'M HERE. MY HUSBAND IS A WHITE GUY LIKE MOST OF YOU UP THERE AND HE IS FRIGHTENED THAT I GO OUT WITHOUT MY PASSPORT AND I'M VERY UPSET THAT I HAVE TO DO THAT, THAT I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO DO THAT. I HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT COME AND VISIT FROM MEXICO AND EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE WITHIN THE MARANA TOWN LIMITS, I LIVE ONE MILE AWAY, EXACTLY ONE MILE AWAY. WE DO ALL OF OUR SHOPPING, MOST OF OUR SHOPPING IN MARANA. WE GO TO LOCAL RESTAURANTS IN MARANA AND WHEN MY FAMILY COMES TO VISIT, I AM WORRIED THAT IF I'M OUT AND ABOUT WITH MY MOTHER, MY 85 YEAR OLD MOTHER, WHO DOESN'T SPEAK ENGLISH AND IF I'M JUST SPEAKING SPANISH AS I WOULD, THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE AND I AM DETAINED OR REQUESTED MY PAPERS. NOW THAT MIGHT BE NOTHING FOR ANY OF YOU WHO ARE WHITE, BUT THE THINGS, YES, THE THINGS THAT WE BE, WE HISPANICS, MEXICAN AMERICANS, THAT OUR LIFE IS DIFFERENT. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING WHEN YOU ARE AROUND PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY, SUPPOSEDLY KEEPING THE PEACE OR GETTING OR PICKING UP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ICE HAS DETAINED, 80% AT LEAST ARE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY. IT'S VERY, VERY WELL WRITTEN AND IF YOU THINK THAT BEING IN THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION MAKES YOU A CRIMINAL, WE KNOW, AT LEAST SOME OF US KNOW, THAT THAT IS NOT, THAT IS JUST A MISDEMEANOR. IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL. I JUST WANT YOU TO GO HOME TONIGHT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'LL BE IF MARANA BECOMES PART OF THAT BIG STAIN IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY BY LETTING THIS ICE FACILITY OPEN UP HERE. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS BASE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT CONTRERAS. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR TAKING A FEW MINUTES TO LISTEN TO ME. MY NAME IS CHRIS AND I'M NOT A LEFTIST. I'M NOT A SOCIALIST. I'M NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT. IF I WERE TO IDENTIFY WITH ANYBODY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WITH DIETRICH BONHOEFFER, 1930S GERMANY. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE SNOWBIRDERS AND WE'VE COME TO MARANA FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND WE GOT TO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A REALLY NEAT TOWN. THE WAY THAT YOU'VE DESIGNED THE STREETS, DESIGNED THE LAYOUT WITH THE BIKE PATHS AND A SUPER COOL AQUATIC CENTER, THE GOLF COURSES, THE FARM [01:05:02] TO RESTAURANT, GREAT FACILITIES, THE RITZ CARLTON HOTEL. IT'S A COOL PLACE TO COME AND IT'S NOT JUST A COUPLE PEOPLE FROM WASHINGTON. WE COME FROM A LAND WHERE THERE'S ORCHARDISTS AND RANCHERS BUT THERE'S ALSO MINNESOTANS, THERE'S CANADIANS, THERE USED TO BE CANADIANS. THERE'S IOWANS, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT COME HERE BECAUSE IT'S A NEAT PLACE AND PEOPLE REALLY ARE FRIENDLY AND RESPECTFUL. THEY HOLD THE DOORS OPEN FOR EACH OTHER. IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO BE. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING A GREAT JOB WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, MAKING A NEAT TOWN. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A 4,000 YEAR HISTORY OF PEOPLE HERE BEFORE WE GOT HERE AND YOU'RE CARRYING THAT MANTLE WELL. BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO PLEASE CONTRAST THAT NOW IF YOU PUT AN ICE FACILITY HERE IN MARANA. THERE'S SUCH A BAD REPUTATION WITH CREDIBLE EVIDENCE OF INHUMANE CONDITIONS HAPPENING IN ICE FACILITIES. ABUSE, PHYSICAL ABUSE, SEXUAL ABUSE, MEDICAL NEGLECT, SERIOUS PROBLEMS. AND I JUST WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT KIND OF REPUTATION YOU WANT MARANA TO HAVE GOING FORWARD AND HOW THAT WILL AFFECT PEOPLE WANTING TO COME VISIT. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT CONTRERAS FOLLOWED BY ROLAND BAKER. OH GREAT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, TOWN COUNCIL, TOWN MANAGER. THANKS FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY. LAST TIME WAS THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE SO I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS BUT THIS TIME I'M FEELING A LITTLE BETTER. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THAT MY COMMUNITY GARDEN IS GOING FANTASTIC. SO MANY SEEDS HAVE SPROUTED AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO THIN A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS BUT ABOUT HALF OF IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THOUSANDS OF ZINNIAS OR HUNDREDS MAYBE. AND THEN I'VE GOT A COUPLE PEPPER PLANTS. I'VE GOT SOME LETTUCE THAT'S LOOKING REALLY GOOD. THE PROBLEM IS I HAVEN'T PUT UP ANY DEFENSE FOR THE RABBITS AND SO I'M AFRAID THAT PRETTY SOON SOMETHING'S GOING TO GET IN THERE AND EAT MY LETTUCE OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S GROWING AND ATTRACTING, YOU KNOW, GOOD STUFF. SO GROWTH IS BEAUTIFUL, RIGHT? ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S IN THE GARDEN. IT'S EASY TO SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS. IT'S GREEN. MAKES THE BLACK SOIL AND THE THINGS AROUND IT, THE SAND, HAVE COLOR. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THAT GROWTH IS BEAUTIFUL AND WE'RE GROWING IN A BEAUTIFUL WAY HERE. AN IMPORTANT THING ABOUT HOW WE GROW, I HAVE A BASIL PLANT AT HOME THAT I JUST BOUGHT AND YOU HAVE TO PRUNE A BASIL PLANT JUST THE RIGHT WAY SO THAT IT CONTINUES TO GROW AND BRANCH OUT AND BUILD ON ITSELF, RIGHT? SO AND I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT REALLY WELL HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE CHANGING SOME STREETS. WE'RE BUILDING SOME NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'RE ANNEXING THE RIGHT AREAS. I'M SAD THAT MY PLANT STORY IS SO BORING. PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAVE. BUT ANYWAYS, WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY WAS THAT I'M FROM HERE. I GREW UP HERE. I WENT TO MARANA HIGH SCHOOL. I WENT TO COLLEGE IN SAN DIEGO, POINT LOMA NAZARENE UNIVERSITY. LIVED THERE. LIVED IN LA. DECIDED TO MOVE HOME TO RAISE MY FAMILY HERE IN MARANA BECAUSE I GREW UP HERE AND BECAUSE I LOVE IT. AND SO WHAT HAVE I DONE WITH MOST OF MY LIFE? WELL, I WORKED IN POLITICS FOR A LOT OF IT. I'VE KNOCKED MILLIONS OF DOORS AND CURRENTLY I'M STILL KNOCKING DOORS HERE IN MARANA TALKING TO VOTERS. AND SO I'M LIKE, I'M AN INDIGENOUS MEXICAN. MY FAMILY'S BEEN HERE AS LONG AS THERE'S BEEN DIRT HERE. I'M A SON OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION AS WELL. SO IT'S A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE. I'M ALSO A DESCENDANT OF PANCHO VILLA. SO IF ANYBODY KNOWS ABOUT REVOLUTIONS HERE, IT MIGHT BE ME. OR AT LEAST IN MY BLOOD SOMEWHERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SUBMIT THAT AS A MEXICAN OR AS AN AMERICAN OF MEXICAN DESCENT, WHICH IS WHAT THE AZTECS CALLED THEMSELVES, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH AN ICE FACILITY BEING HERE. I ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON MY GARDEN AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T FIGHT BAD IDEAS AND BAD LANGUAGE WITH MORE BAD IDEAS AND BAD LANGUAGE. WE FIGHT THOSE THINGS WITH GOOD IDEAS AND GOOD LANGUAGE. AND I HOPE THAT MY STORY WAS FUN AND TO LISTEN TO. AND I'D LOVE TO TAKE ANYBODY OUT TO MY GARDEN AND SHOW YOU. AND [01:10:01] THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE TIME. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ROLAND BAKER, FOLLOWED BY MIKE LIPMAN. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE AGAIN TONIGHT TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THE DETENTION CENTER. I'VE SAID TO YOU MANY TIMES WHY I THINK IT'S WRONG. MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW AND HOPEFULLY IT MATTERS WHO I REALLY AM. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1987. I'VE RAISED THREE CHILDREN. I HAVE SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN AND TWO GREAT THREE, I'M SORRY, WE JUST HAD ANOTHER THREE GREAT GRANDCHILDREN. I AM A TEACHER OF 45 YEARS. I HAVE BEEN AROUND THIS PLACE AND I'VE LOVED THE CITY OF TUCSON. I LIVE IN ORO VALLEY BUT I'VE LOVED TUCSON AND ALL OF ARIZONA, ALL OF THE SOUTHWEST. I PARTICULARLY LOVE MEXICO AND ALL THE PEOPLE OF MEXICO AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE MET ALL THESE YEARS. I CANNOT IMAGINE ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE MET TO BE PUT IN A DETENTION CENTER EVER. I WANT TO KNOW WHY THIS CITY, TOWN, HAS NOT DONE EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY OF TUCSON, THE COUNTY OF PIMA, AND THE SOUTH TUCSON TOWN HAS DONE. ALL THREE WILL HAVE BY THE END OF THIS DAY HAVE TAKEN THE RESOLUTION THAT WE GAVE YOU ALL IN OCTOBER AND THEY'VE USED THAT RESOLUTION AND THEY ARE SIGNING THAT RESOLUTION FOR THEMSELVES. THE RESOLUTION TO NOT HAVE THE DETENTION CENTER IN MARANA. THAT'S THE FIRST THING THEY'VE DONE. THE SECOND THING THAT THEY'VE DONE AT THE PIMA COUNTY SUPERVISORS OF WHICH SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE HERE TONIGHT WERE ALSO THERE. THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THERE WILL BE NO MASKING AND THERE WILL BE NO, ANY ICE PERSON WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE MASKED AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO NOT HAVE THEIR BADGE. WE, AS SOMEONE ELSE SAID EARLIER TONIGHT, THERE ARE THE POLICE RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THAT THAT IS A MARANA POLICEMAN BECAUSE HE HAS A BADGE, BECAUSE HE HAS A NAME, BECAUSE I KNOW WHO HE IS AND HE DOES NOT WEAR A MASK. SO THE CITY OF TUCSON, THE CITY OF SOUTH TUCSON, AND THE COUNTY, ALL OF THEM HAVE DECIDED THAT THAT NO LONGER WILL BE ALLOWED. THE SECOND THING THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING IS THAT ICE FACILITY, ANY ICE PERSON WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO BE ON ANY COUNTY PROPERTY, ANY COUNTY PARKS. SO THAT INCLUDES IF THERE'S ANY COUNTY PARKS HERE, THAT INCLUDES THE COUNTY PARKS THAT MIGHT BE IN MARANA. THE SECOND THING THAT I DO WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THOUGH IS, IT JUST, IT WAS JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WHILE WE WERE SITTING HERE TONIGHT, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ABOUT THE 2100 SIGNATURES FOR THE DATA CENTER, THAT IT'S BEING ASKED THAT YOU REMOVE THOSE 2100 SIGNATURES. I IMPLORE YOU NOT TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. THEY SIGNED THOSE IN GOOD FAITH, YOU NEED TO KEEP THOSE THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE LIPMAN, FOLLOWED BY GABRIELLE DEFONSO. HI, NICE TO MEET YOU ALL. IT'S A DELIGHT TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS MIKE LIPMAN, I LIVE IN TUCSON AND I BELIEVE IN AMERICA. LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME, I THINK THE RULE OF LAW IS CRITICAL, I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, I BELIEVE IN THE FUNDAMENTS THAT MADE OUR COUNTRY GREAT. NOW I'M GOING TO GO OVER A COUPLE. ONE OF THEM IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND I'M REALLY GLAD WE STILL HAVE THAT AND THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING AND THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING TO YOU NOW AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT MAKING IT FREE FOR EVERYBODY. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THAT AND I AM VERY WORRIED THAT WE'VE SEEN DEATHS LATELY OF PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP FOR FREE SPEECH. AND THAT'S A TRAGEDY. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO STOP IT. I BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW AND I BELIEVE VERY DEEPLY THAT THE RULE OF LAW IS EQUAL FOR EVERYBODY. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR POLITICAL PARTY IS, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR SKIN COLOR IS, EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. I STAND BY THESE [01:15:03] TWO PRINCIPLES AS FUNDAMENTAL FOR OUR DEMOCRACY. I HOPE YOU DO TOO. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THAT. I MEAN, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. I DON'T KNOW YOU. WE'VE NOT MET YET. BUT I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT VERY DEEPLY OF YOU. NOW, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP VERY WELL BY PEOPLE BEFORE ME, BUT THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A HIGHER LAW. WE CAN GO INTO THE THINGS THAT WERE LEGAL HAD TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE THEY WERE UNETHICAL. AND I THINK ONE THING THAT WE CAN, I HOPE, ALL AGREE ON IS SOMETIMES YOU'VE GOT TO STAND UP TO THE BULLY. YOU JUST HAVE TO. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO SOMETIMES. AND I'M GOING TO IMPLORE YOU TO DO SO IN THIS CASE. WE CAN NAME THE PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP TO BULLIES IN THE PAST, BUT I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU. I HEARD THE OTHER DAY THAT Y'ALL, YOUR STANCES, YOUR HANDS ARE TIED. I FIND THAT TROUBLESOME. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYONE'S HANDS ARE REALLY TIED IN A COUNTRY THAT IS A DEMOCRACY. YOU CAN STILL TALK. YOU STILL HAVE FREEDOMS. YOU CAN STILL SAY NO WHEN YOU NEED TO. I'LL JUST DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO A BAD EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO SAID THEIR HANDS WERE TIED. HE'S A ROMAN. HE LIVED ABOUT 2,000 SOME ODD YEARS AGO. HE WASHED HIS HANDS INSTEAD. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SAY NO TO A PRISON CENTER THAT DOES NOT DISTINGUISH WELL BETWEEN THE INNOCENT AND THE GUILTY. STEP UP. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS GABRIELLE DEFONSO FOLLOWED BY CATHY DORAN. HELLO, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS GABRIELLE DEFONSO. I LIVE IN ORO VALLEY. MARANA SAYS THAT WANTS TO SHOW THE REST OF THE COUNTRY HOW TO REMAIN A HUMANE DETENTION CENTER. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT MTC AND ICE WILL DO THERE. ACCORDING TO AN INVESTIGATION BY THE NEW YORKER, A PRIVATELY OWNED ICE FACILITY IN CALIFORNIA CITY, CALIFORNIA IS ENGAGING IN HORRENDOUS ACTS OF MEDICAL NEGLECT TO GET PRISONERS TO HURRY UP AND CHOOSE TO SELF-DEPORT. THIS NEGLECT WAS SO SEVERE THAT IT CAUSED ONE PRISONER WITH GASTROINTESTINAL PROBLEMS TO VOMIT BLOOD DUE TO HIS MEDICATIONS BEING WITHHELD. THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN REPORTS OF HEART ATTACKS AT THAT SAME FACILITY, AGAIN, DUE TO WITHHELD TREATMENT. AT AN ICE FACILITY IN MONTANA, FEMALE DETAINEES REPORT FILTHY CONDITIONS, INCLUDING OVERFLOWING TOILETS AND SEWAGE, A LACK OF POTABLE WATER, AND NOT EVEN HAVING ACCESS TO MENSTRUAL PADS OR TAMPONS. THAT WAS REPORTED IN NEWSWEEK. A DETENTION CENTER WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY EITHER. MANY PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN MARANA BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FIND A PEACEFUL, QUIET COMMUNITY IN WHICH TO RAISE A FAMILY. A DETENTION CENTER IS NOT EXACTLY CONDUCIVE TO THAT ATMOSPHERE AND WILL LOWER PROPERTY VALUES VERY BADLY. THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO PUT NEW LIFE INTO THE DISUSED PRISON. IN LORTON, VIRGINIA, A FORMER MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON WAS TRANSFORMED INTO A PRESCHOOL, AND IT'S QUITE SUCCESSFUL. IN STATEN ISLAND, NEW YORK, WHERE I USED TO LIVE, THE FORMER ARTHUR KILL CORRECTIONAL FACILITY IS ABOUT TO BECOME A MOVIE SOUNDSTAGE. IT'S NOT A BINARY CHOICE BETWEEN LETTING ICE TAKE OVER THE FACILITY AND HAVING THE PLACE TURN INTO A WHITE ELEPHANT. MARANA CAN DO BETTER FOR THE SAKE OF ALL ITS CITIZENS, AND IT SHOULD DO BETTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR LAST SPEAKER IS KATHY DORAN. MR. MAYOR, WE HAD ONE CARD REMOVED, SO THIS IS OUR LAST SPEAKER CARD. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. HI, THANK YOU. I'M KATHY DORAN. I LIVE IN TUCSON, SO I DON'T LIVE IN MARANA, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DETENTION CENTER. I DON'T WANT IT, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES, AND THEY'LL COME FOR ONE GROUP, AND EVENTUALLY, MAYBE, THEY'LL COME FOR ME, AND I DON'T THINK I'D DO WELL THERE, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT WOULD GIVE SOUTHERN ARIZONA A BAD NAME BECAUSE OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES AND HURT TOURISM, AND I KNOW WE WANT JOBS, BUT WE DON'T WANT THOSE JOBS, [01:20:01] AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ALL OF YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. THERE'S SOMETHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT, JUST STANDING HERE, AND YOU HAVE MORE POWER THAN ME, AND SO I WANT YOU TO DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO TO NOT ALLOW THIS DETENTION CENTER IN OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I THINK THE PROPOSITION IS REALLY SCARY. THANK YOU. [ MAYOR AND COUNCIL REPORTS: SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS] VICE MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY, OR DID SHE LEAVE THE ROOM? COUNCIL MEMBER CAVANAUGH, DID YOU HAVE SOME WORDS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? OH, I'M SORRY. THAT WAS PATTY, NOT ME. NO, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON RECORD. SO, PHYLLIS PARANGA, SORRY SHE LEFT THE ROOM, BUT SHE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING. THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, SHE SAID SAGUARO RANCH, OR BLOOM, I THINK. SHE MEANT SAGUARO RANCH. THAT WAS SOMETHING BACK IN ABOUT 1999. SHE SAID THAT I, AND I QUOTE, INFLUENCED, INFLUENCING, AND WHAT IS THIS, AND WAS NOT, SOMETHING ABOUT, NOT NICE TO A WITNESS. SO, THAT WAS BACK IN 1997, 99. MOST OF US WEREN'T HERE ON THE COUNCIL, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, NO, I DID NOT INTIMIDATE NOR APPROACH A WITNESS. I'VE KNOWN PHYLLIS FOR MANY YEARS. SHE COMES UP WITH THESE THINGS, AND I'M JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO START CALLING PEOPLE OUT WHEN THEY... WELL, IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME OF MARIN UNLESS PHYLLIS PARANGA SHOWS UP. YEAH, WELL, YEAH. AND SO, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO CHALLENGE ME? I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING. THAT WASN'T APPROPRIATE, MAYOR. I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING. SO, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO CHALLENGE ME? I'VE KNOWN HER FOR 30 YEARS. I ENJOY PHYLLIS PARANGA. IF SHE'S NOT HERE, I'M NOT GOING TO I'VE KNOWN HER FOR 30 YEARS. I ENJOY PHYLLIS PARANGA. IF YOU GUYS DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, BRING HER BACK IN THE ROOM. CAN WE REMOVE THIS LADY RIGHT HERE? I'LL GO ON MY OWN. HOW MANY MORE TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO VIOLATE THAT? HERE, SHE'S GETTING TIRED OF YOU, AND YOU. BYE, BUDDY. BYE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK ME OUT. I'LL GO ON MY OWN. BYE-BYE. YEAH, WALK HER OUT. IT'S BETTER. SHE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK IN. JUST REMEMBER, SHE KEEPS VIOLATING LINDSEY VERSUS QUINN, AND JANE CARROLL KNOWS ABOUT IT. SO, ANYWAY, ANYONE THAT WANTS TO CHALLENGE ME, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE OVER THE LAST FIVE MONTHS, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. I'M OPEN. BUT THE ONLY THING IS, BRING SOME FACTS. BRING SOME EVIDENCE. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING WITH PHYLLIS. YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE AND SAY THAT TO ANYBODY, PLEASE BRING THE FACTS AND THE EVIDENCE, AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT. WAS THERE SOMETHING, SECONDLY? OH, ONE LADY JUST MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF POWER. MA'AM, WHERE DID SHE GO? ON THIS ISSUE, WE REALLY DON'T. I'D LIKE TO THINK WE DID, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE DID, WE WOULD BE HELPING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF POWER. BUT I'LL SPEAK TO THAT IN A FEW MINUTES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER CUMBERLAND, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? NOPE. COUNCIL MEMBER CAVANAUGH? THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH PEOPLE EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO COME HERE AND SPEAK TO US, AND ASK US WHAT WE CAN DO. I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT FOR US TO LISTEN TO YOU. AND IT'S GOOD. IT'S DEMOCRACY. AND I LOVE THAT. BUT I HEARD SOMETHING HERE, AN ORDINANCE WILL STOP THE DETENTION CENTER. AND I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT IT WON'T. WE HAVE THESE NON-BINDING ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I WISH IT WOULD. I SUPPORT THE MAJORITY OF YOU WHO THINK ABOUT THIS LOGICALLY. MARANA IS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY FOR FAMILIES, FOR BUSINESSES. WE'VE ALL HEARD IT FROM BOTH SIDES HERE. WHO WOULD LOGICALLY WANT TO HAVE A NICE DETENTION CENTER IN THIS TOWN? IT'S OKAY. SOME OF YOU WOULD. BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A KIND OF A DARK CLOUD. WHEN YOU THINK OF FLORENCE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT? OKAY, I DON'T WANT MARANA TO BE THAT WAY. I DON'T THINK IT WILL. WE'RE CROSSING OUR FINGERS. MAYBE MTC IS WATCHING THESE HEARINGS AND SEES HOW PEOPLE ARE MOSTLY NOT WANTING THIS HERE. AND AGAIN, I SUPPORT YOU IN THAT ENDEAVOR. AND MAYBE THEY'LL DO SOMETHING ELSE. I MEAN, I'M JUST HOPING THEY WILL. BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I HEARD SOMEONE SAY, I ALSO HEARD SOMEONE SAY WE'RE FUNDING THEM. WE HAVE NOT FUNDED THEM. THEY'RE A PRIVATE BUSINESS. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE. JUST LIKE ANYBODY OUT THERE WANTS TO OPEN UP A COFFEE SHOP IN MARANA. AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE TO [01:25:01] DRINK COFFEE AND THEY PUT UP A BIG FIGHT. WE CAN'T TELL SOMEONE YOU CANNOT MAKE A LIVING. YOU HAVE INVESTED INTO THIS OPERATION AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE A LIVING. OF COURSE, WE KNOW MTC HAS A BAD RECORD. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE READ. I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH IS REAL. BUT I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE TOWN MANAGER THAT HE'S BEEN TALKING TO THE MTC VICE PRESIDENT, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, AND HE HAS AT LEAST AGREED IN PRINCIPLE THAT WE WILL PUT TOGETHER A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WE'LL HAVE SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, TOUR THAT PRISON OFTEN. KEEP THEM ON A SHORT LEASH MAYBE. MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT DOING THE THINGS WE ALL WOULD NOT AGREE TO. SO THAT'S ALL I HAD, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CAVANAUGH. I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE THAT APPARENTLY MY STATEMENT, MY COMMENTS ABOUT PHYLLIS WERE TAKEN THE WAY THEY WERE. I'VE KNOWN PHYLLIS MY ENTIRE LIFE. I ENJOY HER VERY MUCH. SHE'S A PART OF MARANA AS ANYTHING IN MARANA. WHEN YOU SEE HER COMING, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE FUN. I ENJOY HER. I'VE KNOWN HER SINCE I WAS A VERY YOUNG LITTLE BOY. MY COMMENTS ABOUT PHYLLIS OR MY OWN PERSONAL COMMENTS, THEY WERE NOT MEANT TO IN ANY WAY HARM HER. I LOVE HER DEARLY. SHE'S GREAT. WHEN SHE GETS UP, I THINK IT'S AWESOME. SHE HAS MARANA, THE BEST MARANA IN HER HEART. SHE ALWAYS HAS. SHE HAS DONE SO MANY GOOD THINGS FOR MARANA. AND SO IF MY COMMENTS WERE TAKEN WRONGLY, THEY WERE TAKEN WRONGLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET THAT OUT THERE. SECONDLY, I AM GOING TO REITERATE, LAST WEEK WAS A TURNING POINT FOR ME. AND IT HAS BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS, AND I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY. AND I HAVE BEEN UNDERSTANDING OF THE WAY PEOPLE, THEIR FEELINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO REITERATE THAT MARANA IS A COMMUNITY THAT WILL FOLLOW THE LAW, THAT DOES THINGS, THAT PROMOTES ITS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT SUPPORTS ITS FIRST RESPONDERS. WHETHER THEY ARE WORKING FOR MARANA OR FIRST RESPONDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME AS A MAYOR. I KNOW THAT I HAVE THE SUPPORT OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS DOING THAT. AND SUPPORTING THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE LAW IN THE TOWN OF MARANA. AND THAT INCLUDES ZONING LAWS, ALL LAWS. WE WILL FOLLOW THE LAWS OF MARANA. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE LAWS, THEN THERE ARE AVENUES TO CHANGE THE LAWS. THERE ARE WAYS TO CHANGE FEDERAL LAWS. THERE ARE WAYS TO CHANGE STATE LAWS. BUT HERE IN MARANA, WE WILL FOLLOW THE LAW. AND HONESTLY, END OF STORY. ANYBODY ELSE? MR. MAYOR, SORRY, I'LL READ IT NOW. GENTLEMAN WAS HERE, HIS NAME IS MR. KIRSCH. HE SENT IN A RESOLUTION THAT HE WANTED US TO LOOK AT, THE TOWN TO LOOK AT. WE'VE SAID MANY TIMES THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA DO PROCLAMATION RESOLUTIONS. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THIS ON OUR AGENDA. AND THAT HASN'T CHANGED. SO I JUST WANTED TO READ HERE WHAT I SENT TO MR. KIRSCH. I WANT TO READ A LITTLE BIT. AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, MAYOR POST HAS STATED IN PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS, OUR TOWN IS GOVERNED BY THE RULE OF LAW. ENSURING ALL RESIDENTS, OFFICIALS, INSTITUTIONS ARE EQUALLY ACCOUNTABLE TO PUBLICLY ESTABLISHED LAWS RATHER THAN ARBITRARY DECISIONS OF INDIVIDUALS. THIS COMMITMENT GUARANTEES FAIR, TRANSPARENT, AND CONSISTENT GOVERNANCE FOR EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE MAYOR ALSO STATED WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THE DETENTION CENTER ANY MORE THAN WE WOULD HAVE OVER A PERSONAL RESIDENT OR ANY OTHER PROPERTY NOT BELONGING TO THE TOWN. WE ALSO HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO THEY HOUSE AS A RESIDENT. THERE IS NO LEGAL ADDRESS, REDRESS, I'M SORRY. THERE IS NO LEGAL REDRESS AS THE TOWN CANNOT PREVENT ANYONE FROM USING PROPERTY THEY OWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING UNDER WHICH THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. TO THAT END, HE HAS STATED AND [01:30:02] OUR COUNCIL AGREES WE WILL NOT BE PUTTING FORTH A RESOLUTION, A PROPOSITION, OR ANY OTHER DOCUMENT. WE WILL BE FOLLOWING THE RULE OF LAW AS MENTIONED ABOVE. AND THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO REITERATE IS THERE'S BEEN, AGAIN, PEOPLE SAYING THAT IT'S ON, IT'S BEEN SAID, AND HERE IT'S BEEN SAID ON NEXTDOOR AND ON FACEBOOK. I'M REALLY GETTING TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS UNTRAINED. THAT'S GOT TO STOP. TWO OF THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING FOR THE TOWN OF MARANA COUNCIL HAVE BOTH SAID THAT THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE UNTRAINED. THAT NEEDS TO STOP. SO IF YOU WANT TO, YES, AGAIN, I'M A CONTRACT MANAGER. I'M BIG ON FACTS. SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THEY AREN'T UNTRAINED, BRING SOME FACTS. PLEASE BRING FACTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. [ MANAGER’S REPORT: SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS] ANY OTHER COUNCIL REPORTS? MR. ROSAMO? MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID FROM THE DAIS HERE A MINUTE AGO ABOUT WHAT MTC HAS AGREED TO. I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH MTC, SPECIFICALLY, SERGIO MOLINA. WHAT THEY'VE AGREED TO IS TO MEET WITH US AND TO MEET WITH A GROUP FROM OUR, OF RESIDENTS FROM THE TOWN OF MARANA. THEY HAVE NOT AGREED TO A, I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT THE WORDS THAT WERE USED, A SUBCOMMITTEE, OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, I THINK WAS THE WORD THAT WAS USED. SO THAT IS NOT THE CASE. WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN OPEN LINES OF COMMUNICATION WITH MTC. WE DO HAVE OUR STATE OF THE TOWN ADDRESS COMING UP. AND AS ALWAYS, WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY AWARDS. THAT IS NOW OPEN, THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT. IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU THINK IS DESERVING OF ONE OF OUR BRANDING IRONS BECAUSE OF THEIR CIVIC ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT OUR TOWN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUBMIT THAT. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. THROUGHOUT OUR TOWN, PLEASE SUBMIT THAT SO THAT WE CAN RECOGNIZE THEM AT THE STATE OF THE TOWN ADDRESS. ALSO, THE MARANA REGIONAL AIRPORT RECEIVED A STATE AVIATION AWARD THIS PAST WEEK. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED. IT WAS RECEIVED ON FEBRUARY 7TH UP IN PHOENIX. GALEN BEAM AND FAUSO BURRELL WENT UP TO RECEIVE IT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN. REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THE FOLKS DO OUT THERE AT THE AIRPORT. IT'S REALLY STARTING TO GROW AND COME TOGETHER IN A GREAT WAY. AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT WE HAD THE TUCSON BICYCLE CLASSIC THIS PAST WEEK. AND WE HAD ROUGHLY 600 CYCLISTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT SHOWED UP FOR THIS EVENT. SO THAT CONTINUES TO GROW AND PUT MARANA ON THE MAP IN THE CYCLING COMMUNITY. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND WAIT UNTIL THE ROOM IS CLEAR BEFORE WE GO TO P1. SO BUY YOURSELF A MINUTE OR TWO. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY. IT'S BORING, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO. NO, I AM SO SORRY, YANNI. YOU'RE NOT BORING. YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO FIND... I SHOULD PROBABLY TELL THEM THAT I AM VERY CONNECTED TO THE MEXICAN CULTURE. MY SON IS MEXICAN AND FROM MEXICO. AND HE'S REALLY GLEEFUL. I THINK THEY JUST THINK WE'RE RICH WHITE PEOPLE. I THINK EVERYONE'S LEAVING. NO, I DIDN'T. I'M GOOD. NO, I DO NOT. I'M FINE. I'M GOOD. NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. I'M NOT TALKING. [01:35:16] WOW, THAT WAS PRETTY COOL. YOU DID VERY WELL. [ Relating to Budget; presentation of second quarter results (July-December) for the Town's General Fund and other selected major funds for the 2025-2026 fiscal year (Yiannis Kalaitzidis)] I KNOW YOU WERE MARRIED I KNOW ITEM P1 ITEM P1 RELATING TO BUDGET PRESENTATION OF SECOND QUARTER RESULTS JULY THROUGH DECEMBER FOR THE TOWN'S GENERAL FUND AND OTHER SELECTED MAJOR FUNDS FOR THE 2025 THROUGH 2026 FISCAL YEAR THANK YOU MR. VICE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS I AM SO SORRY DISTRACTED FOR A MOMENT I AM HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU THE SECOND QUARTER FINANCIAL UPDATE AS YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS IS DONE FOR OUR MAJOR FUNDS INCLUDING THE GENERAL FUND AND A FEW OTHER SELECT FUNDS AND THE AMOUNTS THAT ARE PRESENTED ARE PRELIMINARY UNAUDITED AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE UPON ANY INTEREST THAT WE HAVE AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR THE AREA THAT I'M GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON AFTER I COVER EXPENDITURES VERY BRIEFLY IS GOING TO BE REVENUES BECAUSE DURING THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE YEAR REALLY OUR EXPENSES ARE NOT NORMALLY AN ISSUE WE ARE SPENDING WHAT WE EXPECT TO SPEND AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR IN ALL OF OUR FUNDS A LOT OF IT IS RELATED TO PAYROLL BUT WE ALSO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND FACILITIES MAINTENANCE REQUESTS ETC AND CONSTRUCTION BUT IN THE SECOND QUARTER I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY CONCENTRATE ON REVENUES WHICH ARE HITTING THE MARK WE HAVE IN PRETTY MUCH ALL THE AREAS REVENUES THAT ARE WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND ESPECIALLY ALL OF OUR REVENUES CAR COMING IN AS ANTICIPATED I'LL SWITCH TO THAT BRIEFLY RIGHT NOW JUST TO SHOW YOU VERY QUICKLY A LITTLE SLOW BUT YOU CAN SEE OUR SALES TAX OR INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUES OUR LICENSES FEES AND PERMITS THEY ARE RIGHT AT 50 TO 53 PERCENT THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM WHEN WE COMPARE THEM TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE BUDGETED FOR THE YEAR LOOKING AT CHARGES FOR SERVICES THAT AREA IS THE ONE AREA I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND THIS IS REALLY KUDOS TO PARKS AND TO THE TEAM AT THE MARK THE MEMBERSHIPS REVENUES AND ALL THE MONEY THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEING THOSE AT 78 PERCENT WE OPENED THE FACILITY IN MAY OF LAST YEAR SINCE THEN WE HAVE COLLECTED ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUES ABOUT 1.3 MILLION OF THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO MEMBERSHIPS SO THAT IS A REALLY GREAT PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE ACCOLADES THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THEM ARE ALSO REFLECTED IN OUR REVENUES HERE GOING BACK VERY QUICKLY TO THE REVENUE PICTURE OUR HEARTH IS SLIGHTLY BELOW WHERE WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE BUT IT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN PRIOR FISCAL YEARS AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR WE'RE DOING OKAY WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION FUND AND OUR CONSTRUCTION SALES TAX REVENUES AND OUR BED TAX AGAIN IT'S A CYCLICAL INDUSTRY THIS THIRD QUARTER THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS WHERE WE EXPECT TO SEE MORE OF THE REVENUE COMING IN AND THIS IS THE ONE AREA WHERE EXPENSES ARE ALSO PRETTY HIGH THIS YEAR COMPARED TO REVENUE SIMPLY BECAUSE THE SECOND QUARTER IS WHEN WE MAKE THE PAYMENT FOR THE STATE LAND LEASE OF THE PRESERVE THAT WE HAVE AND FINALLY OUR HOUSE AND SALES TAX IT IS AT 50% WE'RE PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT TO BE ALMOST CLOSE TO THE 8 MILLION DOLLAR MARK A YEAR FOR THIS PARTICULAR FUND AND FINALLY OUR WATER FUND OUR WATER RECLAMATION FUND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CHARGES FOR SERVICES THOSE REVENUES THAT WE GET FROM OUR USERS THEY ARE BETWEEN 50 AND 54 PERCENT FOR THOSE TWO FUNDS SO EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE AND WITH THAT I WILL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ALL RIGHT [ CONSENT AGENDA The Consent Agenda contains items requiring action by the Council which are generally routine items not requiring Council discussion. A single motion and affirmative vote will approve all items on the Consent Agenda, including any resolutions or ordinances. Prior to a motion to approve the Consent Agenda, any Council member may remove any item from the Consent Agenda and that item will be discussed and voted upon separately.] THANK YOU VERY MUCH JOHNNY THANK YOU SIR MOTION AND I NEED A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED MOTION PASSES WE NEED TO GO INTO [ EXECUTIVE SESSIONS Pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.03, the Town Council may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, to discuss certain matters.] EXECUTIVE SESSION I NEED A MOTION FOR THAT MOTION A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES I'D LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM E2 EXECUTIVE SESSION RAF [01:40:03] 20 0 2 6 DASH 0 2 AND DASH 0 3 ALL RIGHT THANK YOU YOU'RE BACK IN SESSION MISS BARREL MR. MAYOR IF WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES DO WE HAVE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS MOTION TO ADJOURN WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WE ARE ADJOURNED THANK YOU VERY MUCH GUYS THANK YOU * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.