[ MARANA PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOTICE AND AGENDA 11555 W. Civic Center Drive, Marana, Arizona 85653 Second Floor Conference Center, August 26, 2026, at or after 6:00 PM Thomas Schnee, Chairman John Flint, Vice Chair David Bowen, Commissioner Ronald Hill, Commissioner John McIntyre, Commissioner Joseph Parsons, Commissioner Sharon Tyson, Commissioner Pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Marana Planning Commission and to the general public that the Planning Commission will hold a meeting open to the public on August 26, 2026, at or after 6:00 PM located in the Council Chambers of the Marana Municipal Complex, 11555 W. Civic Center Drive, Marana, Arizona. ACTION MAY BE TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. Revisions to the agenda can occur up to 24 hours prior to the meeting. Revisions to the agenda appear in italics. Marana Planning Commission Welcome to this public meeting of the Marana Planning Commission. The Commission consists of seven citizens who are appointed by the Town Council and serve without pay. For the most part, the Commission acts in an advisory capacity to the Town Council on matters related to land use planning and zoning. Citizens are encouraged to address the Commission with their concerns on agenda items during the public testimony portions of the meeting, or other issues at the Call to the Public. Meeting Times Regular Commission meetings are usually held on the last Wednesday of each month at 6:00 PM at the Marana Municipal Complex, although the date or time may change and additional meetings may be called at other times and/or places. Speaking at Meetings If you are interested in speaking to the Commission during the Call to the Public or Public Hearings, you must fill out a speaker card (located inside the Council Chambers) and deliver it to the Planning Commission Secretary prior to the convening of the meeting. All persons attending the Commission meeting, whether speaking to the Commission or not, are expected to observe the Commission rules, as well as the rules of politeness, propriety, decorum and good conduct. Any person interfering with the meeting in any way, or acting rudely or loudly will be removed from the meeting and will not be allowed to return. Accessibility To better serve the citizens of Marana and others attending our meetings, the Council Chambers are wheelchair and handicapped accessible. Persons with a disability may request a reasonable accommodation, such as a sign language interpreter, by contacting the Town Clerk at (520) 382-1999. Requests should be made as early as possible to arrange the accommodation. Agendas Copies of the Agenda are available the day of the meeting inside the Council Chambers or online at www.maranaaz.gov. This Notice and Agenda posted no later than 24 hours prior to the meeting, at the Marana Municipal Complex, 11555 W. Civic Center Drive, the Marana Operations Center, 5100 W. Ina Road, and at www.maranaaz.gov. Public Comments Please submit public comments to ldzieman@maranaaz.gov. Any submitted comments from the public will be provided to the Commission and included within the Commission packet file and a summary of the comments submitted will be reflected in the official Commission meeting minutes of that meeting. All emailed comments must be received by the Town no later than 12:00 p.m. (noon) on the day of the meeting to be included. ]
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PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. OVER HERE TO THE RIGHT.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU. MISS [INAUDIBLE]. ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
CHAIRMAN SCHNEE. PRESENT. VICE CHAIR FLINT. PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER BOWEN. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER HILL.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCINTYRE. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER PARSONS.
HERE. COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] PRESENT.
THANK YOU. I GUESS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC, SO.
WELL, I OPEN AND CLOSE IT. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AYE. MR. WITTENBERG, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? NOTHING THIS EVENING.
OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY 29TH MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I ABSTAIN. MOTION PASSES.
THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
LEGACY ZONES. MISS FARRELL. CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. IT IS A CLEAN UP PROVISION. AS MANY OF YOU WILL RECALL, BACK IN JUNE OF 2021 THE TOWN ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE REWRITE OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT'S BEEN SOME YEARS ON IT. AS PART OF THAT ADOPTION, WE HAVE A NEW SECTION 7-4- 16IN OUR ZONING CODE THAT ESTABLISHED THE TOWN'S PREEXISTING ALPHABET ZONES, THE ZONES A THROUGH E, AND SOME OF OUR OTHER OBSOLETE ZONES. THERE WERE SOME MIXED USE ZONES AND ZONE A COMMERCIAL ZONE, SEVERAL THAT WERE OLD ZONES THAT WE WERE NO LONGER REALLY USING.
SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS WE CALLED THOSE OBSOLETE ZONES, THE LEGACY ZONES.
WITH THE INTENT THAT THEY WOULD BE PHASED OUT OVER TIME.
BY PROPERTY OWNER REZONING, PROPERTY OWNER INITIATED REZONING.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF PROP 207, THE PROPERTY RIGHTS BILL IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
WE CAN'T MAKE A UNILATERAL CHANGES TO ZONING.
THEY CAN CLAIM THAT WE'RE DIMINISHING THEIR PROPERTY VALUE AND WE'D BE LOOKING AT A LAWSUIT.
SO BUT WHAT WE DID SAY WAS THAT EACH OF THESE ZONING DESIGNATIONS WILL BE DELETED ONCE THE TOWN NO LONGER HAS ANY PROPERTY THAT EXISTS WITHIN THOSE ZONING. AND THAT WE WILL REFUSE TO REZONE ANY LAND TO ANY OF THE OLD ZONES.
AND AS PART OF THAT, WE ALSO ELIMINATED THE SIGNIFICANT LAND USE CHANGE PROCESS THAT USED TO EXIST IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH APPLIED TO THE A THROUGH E DESIGNATIONS, AND IT ALLOWED A PROPERTY OWNER TO DO AN EXPEDITED PROCESS TO MAKE CERTAIN CHANGES TO THEIR USE OF THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A FULL REZONING AND THE PARAMETERS OR TRIGGERS FOR WHEN A SIGNIFICANT LAND USE CHANGE WOULD BE REQUIRED.
WE WANTED IF A PROPERTY OWNER HAD A PROPERTY WITHIN THE ALPHABET ZONE, WE WANTED THEM TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A FULL REZONING TO GET RID OF THE OBSOLETE LEGACY ZONES AND TO MOVE TO OUR CURRENT MODEL.
BUT RECENTLY AS BRETT AND MATT AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THE CODE, WE REALIZED THAT WE STRIPPED EVERYTHING OUT AND DIDN'T REPLACE IT WITH ANYTHING. THE INTENT I THINK WAS CLEAR.
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BE IN PART DETERMINED BY PRIOR DENSITY OF USE.AND THAT'S KIND OF THAT OLD LANGUAGE THAT USED TO EXIST BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT LAND USE CHANGE.
SO WE ARE SUGGESTING TO ADD IN THIS NEW PARAGRAPH D OF 7-4-16.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT, IT'S IT SETS FORTH WHEN A REZONING WILL BE REQUIRED DUE TO A CHANGE IN USE OR DENSITY ON THE PROPERTY. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THESE PARAMETERS, THESE BULLET POINTS ARE WITH THE OLD.
SIGNIFICANT LAND USE CHANGE. I USED TO THINK SO.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PROCESS.
SO IT'S THE SAME TRIGGERS THAT IT USED TO BE, EXCEPT THAT NOW YOU'LL HAVE TO GO TO A FULL REZONING RATHER THAN THE EXPEDITED SIGNIFICANT LAND USE CHANGE PROCESS. SO THE TIMES WHEN SOMEBODY HAS, YOU KNOW, OWNS A LOT IN ZONE A AND THEY ARE, WOULD HAVE TO DO REZONING IS IF THEY ARE MORE THAN DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR ENTERPRISE DENSITY OF THE LAND IN QUESTION WITHIN ONE YEAR. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT ENTERPRISE DENSITY IN ANOTHER SLIDE.
THEY'RE CHANGING THE NATURE OF THE ACTIVITY ON THE LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL TO NONRESIDENTIAL.
OR IF THEY'RE CHANGING THE NATURE OF ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR QUASI PUBLIC USES OF THE LAND THAT TO ANY USE THAT WOULD FALL IN A DIFFERENT 3 DIGIT SUBSECTION NUMBER OF THE NORTH AMERICAN INDUSTRY CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, WHICH WE WILL ALSO TALK ABOUT IN ANOTHER SLIDE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT MEANS. AND THEN FINALLY, KIND OF A CATCH ALL, IF IT WOULD BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO EQUAL OR EXCEED THE CAPACITY OR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF NEARBY STREETS OR OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES.
ENTERPRISE AND ENTERPRISE DENSITY WOULD BE DEFINED.
AND AGAIN, THESE DEFINITIONS USED TO BE IN THE CODE PRIOR TO 2021.
SO WE'RE JUST PUTTING THEM BACK IN ENTERPRISE AGAIN REFERS TO THE TYPE OF BUSINESS AS IT'S CLASSIFIED BY THE NORTH AMERICAN INDUSTRY CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM. AND THEN ENTERPRISE DENSITY IS A MEASURE OF THE INTENSITY OF AN ENTERPRISE.
IF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS, OCCUPANTS FOR AN OCCUPANCY BASED ENTERPRISE OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF LAND AREA. SO AGAIN, JUST TO GO BACK TO MANY, IF THE, THE CHANGE WOULD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR MORE THAN DOUBLE THE ENTERPRISE DENSITY OF THE PARCEL.
AND THAT MEANS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THERE FOR THE DEFINITIONS OF ENTERPRISE DENSITY.
WE USED TO USE PRIOR TO 1990 1997, THE STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, BUT IT WAS REPLACED WITH THE NAICS AND IT IS DEVELOPED JOINTLY BETWEEN THE US AND MEXICO AND CANADA.
SO THAT THERE'S A HIGH LEVEL OF COMPARABILITY IN BUSINESS STATISTICS IN NORTH AMERICA.
AND THIS IS A SCREENSHOT FROM A SEARCH I DID TODAY JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW IT WORKS.
SO I JUST PUT IN THE WORD MANUFACTURING. AND THEN IT GIVES ME THESE RESULTS.
AND SO IT WOULD CLASSIFY THE I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT ON MY SCREEN.
SO IN THIS CASE, THOSE 3 ITEMS THAT START WITH 2, 03, 6 MANUFACTURING, BUILDING, CONSTRUCTION, PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURING. AND THEN THE 3RD ONE.
THOSE WOULD ALL BE CONSIDERED ENOUGH OF A CENTER.
A SIMILAR ENTERPRISE THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH A REZONING.
IF SOMEBODY WAS CHANGING FROM ONE OF THOSE TO THE OTHER ONE.
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AND THEN FINALLY, SOME CONFORMING CHANGES TO THESE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE, WHICH ARE THE SECTIONS THAT CALL OUT ZONE A, B, C, AND D, BUT ZONE D BECAUSE THE DEED IS THE SAME AS O,B, SO WE DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGE TO THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST CONFORMING CHANGES TO ADD A REFERENCE IN THOSE SECTIONS TO WHAT WE'VE CHANGED IN 17-4-16.KIND OF HEARKENING BACK THAT PERMITTED USES WITHIN ZONE B FOR EXAMPLE.
IN ALL OTHER INSTANCES YOU CAN DO X, Y, Z. AND THAT IS IT.
OKAY. I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND CLOSE IT.
THERE'S NOBODY FROM THE. WELL, YOU KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT GREG IS HERE IN THE BACK.
SO GREAT, GREAT. IF SOMEBODY. OKAY. NOBODY TO SOMEBODY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. OKAY. VICE CHAIR FLINT, I KNOW YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OR JUST TO GET SOME CLARITY.
IS IT COMMON NOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT OF THE BUSINESS FOR A LITTLE WHILE, THAT THE NAICS IS REFERENCED IN ZONING CODES, OR IS IT SOMETHING UNIQUE TO OUR TOWN? WE IT IS SOMETHING I DIDN'T DO A CURRENT COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR.
I DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN WE WERE REWRITING THINGS IN 2021 AND BEFORE THAT, AS WE WERE WORKING ON THIS, IT WAS A COMMON REFERENCE FOR THIS TYPE OF REASON BEING THAT THERE ARE I LOOKED IT UP ONLINE TO 96 SUBSECTORS. WOULD YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD FALL INTO THAT, WHERE THERE WOULD BE A CHANGE OR THAT THEY WOULD STAY IN THE SAME SUBSECTOR, BUT STAY VICE CHAIR FLINT I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SAY IT WITH PERCENTAGES WOULD BE.
AND THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF THING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO FORCE A REZONING ON.
SO. THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. ON 17-4-16 ON D.1.
IF MY QUESTION WAS, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF A YEAR GOES BY? DO THEY GET ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE OR ARE THEY LOCKED IN TO WHAT THE FIRST APPLICATION WAS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO I THINK LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT.
OKAY. I THINK IF SOMEONE WAS COMING IN AND WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THEY HAD A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE ONE HOUSE ON THEM RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN ON THESE OLD ALPHABET ZONES.
SO SOMEONE WOULD COME IN AND ALMOST ANYTHING WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING UNDER THAT METRIC, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE RESIDENCES ON THEM. I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO THE REFERENCE TO THE 1 YEAR PERIOD THAT, YOU KNOW, DID THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OR GET THE PROCESS? AND THEN THE YEAR IS UP AND THEY CAN DO IT OVER AGAIN AND DOUBLE AGAIN.
SO IF THEY CAME IN AND HAD TO DO REZONING, THEIR REZONING OUT OF THE ALPHABET ZONE.
RIGHT. CORRECT. SO THEN THIS WOULDN'T APPLY ANYMORE.
SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE. SO IF THEY HAD A A PROPERTY AND THEY REZONED TO OUR 36, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER OUR 36 ALLOWED THEM TO DO. THAT ONE YEAR PIECE WOULDN'T APPLY ANYMORE.
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SO MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARY. YEAH. I WAS WONDERING WHY THE TIME STAMP IS ON THERE.SO I JUST WAS QUESTIONING THE VALUE OF THE 1 YEAR THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. AND MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO JUST BE STRICKEN.
OKAY. AND THEN GOING DOWN TO TURN 4 ON SAME SECTION BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO EQUAL.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY IT CAN'T BE SHALL BE EQUAL? THAT I I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THE SQUISHY LANGUAGE OF REASONABLENESS IN THERE.
[INAUDIBLE] VICE CHAIR HILL. I THINK THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE WANT SQUISHY LANGUAGE.
YEAH. IT ALLOWS INTERPRETATION. YEAH. BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE WE WANT A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY INTERPRETATION.
AND SO I WOULD THE SAME THING WITH THE WORD NEARBY ALSO.
I'M GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. CAN WE GET A MOTION? MOVE. APPROVAL.
SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER TYSON. AYE.
COMMISSIONER PARSONS. AYE. COMMISSIONER MCINTYRE.
AYE. COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] AYE. COMMISSIONER BOWEN.
AYE. VICE CHAIR FLINT. AYE. MR. CHAIRMAN SCHNEE.
AYE. MOTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSION ACTION IS A TWO SITE PLAN.
IF THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE TWIN PEAKS INTERCHANGE.
IT MASTER PLAN CONSISTS OF ABOUT 774 ACRES. THE LOTS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THIS PLAN ARE BLOCKS 1, 2 AND 3, WHICH YOU SEE IN OUR COLOR BLUE IN THE MAP, AND THOSE TOTAL ABOUT 149 ACRES.
THE ZONING, OF COURSE, IS SPECIFIC PLAN, AND THE.
AS I MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, SECTION 17-10-12 OF THE MARANA TOWN CODE REQUIRES NOT ONLY STAFF TO APPROVE THE PLAN, BUT ALSO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE PLAN AS WELL. I THINK THE LAST TIME YOU SAW WAS THE PLAN FOR HERITAGE PARK SHOPS ABOUT A YEAR AND A THE SCIENTISTS ARE PROPOSING A VARIETY OF SIGN TYPES IN THE PLAN FREEWAY PYLON SIGNS.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE SIGNS, MULTI-TENANT SIGNS, MISCELLANEOUS FREESTANDING SIGNS, WALL SIGNAGE. THE THIS MAP HERE SHOWS THE THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE FREESTANDING SIGNS AND THE, THE RED POLYGONS INDICATE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE FREEWAY PYLON SIGNS.
AND THESE SIGNS ARE LOCATED SO FAR BACK BECAUSE THE TOWN HAS A FUTURE PARK PLAN FOR THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE, BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE RAIL FROM THE INTERSTATE.
SO WE HAD THEM PUT THE SIGNS BACK ONTO THE PROPERTY.
THE SIGNS ARE LOCATED ABOUT 900FT, ROUGHLY 1000FT IN LENGTH FOR THE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE INTERSTATE, AND ABOUT 700FT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD SIGNS PROPOSED ARE ACTUALLY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOWN STANDARDS.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, NO ADDITIONAL AREA. THEY'RE COMING IN AT 65FT AND 300FT², WHICH IS WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES. THESE WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE TOWN'S EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH REQUIRE THEM TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND THE SIZE AND MATERIALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ENHANCED ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STATUS QUO.
SO THERE'LL BE THAT'LL BE GOOD LOOKING SIGNS.
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ACROSS THE ACROSS THE ROAD THERE, THOSE ARE CONSTRUCTED AT ABOUT 78FT IN HEIGHT AND ABOUT 640FT².SO THEY'RE ABOUT 13FT HIGHER THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE AND TWICE THE AREA.
THEY WILL HAVE FOUR OF THEM UP TO FOUR OF THEM.
THERE'S 500FT APART IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CODE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'LL BE ABOUT 900 TO 1000FT AWAY FROM THE TRAVELING, PUBLIC TRAVELING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC ON THE INTERSTATE? THEY SHOULD BE PRETTY VISIBLE FROM THERE. THE PLAN ALSO PROPOSES A QUITE A FEW MULTI-TENANT SIGNS.
AND THESE ARE FREESTANDING MONUMENT SIGNS, BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A LITTLE LARGER THAN WHAT THE TOWN WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL COMMERCIAL SITE OR A SMALL COMMERCIAL CENTER WOULD GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AND ADDITIONAL AREA.
BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CENTER BEING 100 AND 150 ACRES, AND THERE'S A LOT OF USERS IN THERE, AN AWFUL LOT OF USERS ARE PROPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT, SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE ADEQUATELY SIGNED.
THESE WILL ALSO BE CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE THE EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
THEY HAVE TWO ENTRYWAY SIGNS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
AND THESE WILL BE AT THE ENTRANCE DOWN HERE OFF OF TWIN PEAKS.
THE LITTLE GREEN TRIANGLES DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE MAP THERE, THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF TWIN PEAKS AND THE MAIN ACCESS INTO PRESCOTT, WHICH IS CASCATA BOULEVARD. THOSE SIGNS WILL BE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, BUT THEY WILL NOT ONLY SERVE THE FUNCTION OF DRAWING THE PUBLIC TO THE COMMERCIAL PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SAY TO MAYBE HAVE THEIR LOGO ON IT.
SO IT'LL SERVE PROBABLY A WHOLE 744 ACRES, AND THERE WILL ONLY BE 2 OF THESE.
THE ONLY PLACE THESE WILL BE LOCATED IS AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
THE BUILDING WALL SIGNS THAT ARE PROPOSED. EACH USER, EACH END USER, EACH BUSINESS THAT COMES INTO THE CENTER WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT PERMIT APPLICATIONS TO THE TOWN FOR THEIR WALL SIGNAGE, AND THE TOWN PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW THAT SIGNAGE, AS WELL AS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THE STANDARDS. WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR HERE IS A LITTLE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE PER LINEAR FOOT OF BUILDING THAN WE TYPICALLY ALLOW, BUT NOT UNREASONABLE.
WE SEE SOME OF THIS SOME OF THESE STANDARDS IN THE PLAN FOR THE MARANA CENTER ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THAT FREEWAY ZONE IS THIS AREA THAT'S DEMARCATED BY THE YELLOW THE YELLOW HERE.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR MORE SIGNAGE THERE, AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY'RE ASKING OF THREE SQUARE FEET. BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSTATE, CARS TRAVELING DOWN THE INTERSTATE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING OUT THERE, AND WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT BUSINESSES ARE IN THAT CENTER SO THEY CAN PATRONIZE OUR BUSINESSES. SECTION 17-10-12 OF THE CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT THE PLAN MEETS 6 CRITERIA AND I WILL CALL IT 6 CRITERIA. AND IT DOES SPECIFY, OF COURSE, THAT WE ALLOW FLEXIBILITY IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE EXCEPTIONAL PROJECT DESIGN FOR ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRATION AND SITE BUILDING AND SCIENCE.
ALL THESE CRITERIA ARE MET IN THE OPINION OF STAFF.
WE FEEL THAT THEY'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB. WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM ON THIS PLAN. THEY WENT THROUGH 5 REVIEWS. SO IT WASN'T AN EASY PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE GIVEN A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE. BUT WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY'VE COME FORWARD WITH AND WE THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT PROJECT.
BUT WE KIND OF WANTED TO KEEP THEM ON PAR WITH THAT.
MARANA CENTER SO THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT EQUAL.
STEVENS IS HERE ALSO FROM BOARD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? VICE CHAIR. BRIAN. I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF LOTS OF SIGNAGE, BUT NONETHELESS, I UNDERSTAND THE WHAT'S BEHIND IT ON THE FREEWAY.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FREEWAY. ZONE. ZONE. OKAY.
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IS TO THE PLACEMENT OF THE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING.AND THE REASON WHY I ASK THAT IS YOU GO BY THE OUTLET MALL AND THAT IS JUST A HOT MESS.
YOU KNOW, WHERE EVERYBODY JUST PICKED WHEREVER THEY WANTED AND IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IS THERE ANYTHING TO PUT SOME ORDER TO IT SO THAT EVERYTHING'S AT THE SAME ELEVATION, AT MOTIVATION AT LEAST, EVEN THOUGH THE SIGNAGE MAY BE DIFFERENT. MR. CHAIR. VICE CHAIR. THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AS TO WHERE ON THE FACE OF THE SIGN CAN BE PLACED.
IT'S GOT TO BE IN THE UPPER PORTION OF THE FASCIA, OBVIOUSLY. BUT WE COULD PROBABLY WORK SOMETHING OUT WHERE WE REQUIRE THEM TO KEEP THEM ON AN EVEN PLANE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT. YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT, THIS KIND OF THING.
YEAH. WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS SO IT LOOKS LIKE ONE UNIFIED DESIGN.
AND NOT THAT I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, WHAT, PROBABLY A DOZEN BUILDINGS THAT BACK UP TO TO THAT AREA.
AND YOU KNOW, AND HOW MANY TENANTS CAN YOU HAVE? AND SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE MULTI-TENANT, WHICH ARE MULTIPLE SIGNS.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR IS TO AVOID WHAT THE OUTLOOK LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU DRIVE BY FROM INTENT AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S AT LEAST ON THE SAME LEVEL THAT'S UNIFIED, THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ALL TAKEN IN AS ONE UNIT FROM THE SOUTH END TO THE NORTH END AND THE DESIGN, AND NOT JUST BUILDING FOR BUILDING, FOR BUILDING, FOR BUILDING WHERE EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. VERY GOOD POINT. WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN THE PLAN REQUIRING SOME UNIFORMITY TO IT? SO YOU WORK. THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIG FOCUSES IS TRYING TO TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
I'M SURE THAT IT WAS INTENTIONAL AND THOUGHTFUL.
A COUPLE MAYBE CONCERNS FOR THAT IS ONE BUILDING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS A 2 STORY BUILDING.
THERE MAY BE SINGLE STORY. AND THEN LIKE ANOTHER OF THE BIGGER BOXES THERE IN THAT FREEWAY ZONE.
AND SO I'M JUST MAKING STUFF UP. IF WE SET THE SIGNS, ALL HAD TO BE AT 15FT.
IT MAY LOOK ODD FOR SOME BUILDINGS THAT ARE 24FT AND OTHERS THAT ARE 36FT.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE THINK BRINGS INTEREST TO IT IS A VARIETY OF ACTUAL BUILDINGS.
WE DON'T WANT ALL 12 BUILDINGS LOOKING THE EXACT SAME.
AND SO WE WANT SOME VARIETY AND UNIQUENESS IN THE ARCHITECTURE.
THEY'RE GOING TO MEET OUR UNDERLYING DESIGN GUIDELINES AND OUR MATERIAL PALETTES AND STUFF.
BUT THERE IS WE DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE SOBRIETY.
SO LET ME GET TO THIS POINT THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL TOO OFTEN WHEN WE ASK THE ARCHITECT, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE SIGNAGE? AND THE ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST SAY, NOT MY PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TENANTS PROBLEM OR THE OWNER'S PROBLEM.
ONCE THE BUILDING IS BUILT, WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
NOW. IT IS. AND NOT WAIT UNTIL IT'S ALL BUILT AND THE SIGN GUY COMES OUT AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TENANT, WELL, LET'S JUST PUT IT THERE. AND THERE'S NO RATIONALE, NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER STRUCTURES TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY THOUGHT OUT A UNIFIED DESIGN. I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. OUR APPROACH MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
WE DON'T ASK ARCHITECT WHAT WE DIRECT THE ARCHITECT ON WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.
SIGNAGE IS ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS IN HOW THE WHOLE BUILDING COMES TOGETHER.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO MANDATE ONE STYLE OF SIGNAGE EITHER, YOU KNOW, REVERSE CHANNEL OR ACRYLIC OR.
WE AREN'T LIMITING IT TO LIKE ORO VALLEY WHERE IT'S 1 COLOR THROUGHOUT IT.
SO WE'RE STILL WANTING TO ENCOURAGE BRAND AWARENESS FOR EACH OF THE USERS PART OF THEIR PROTOTYPE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE QUALITY SIGNAGE ACROSS THE BOARD.
THE QUALITY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU STRIVE FOR UNIFIED APPEARANCE IN THERE AND NOT END UP WITH THE MESSAGE DOWN AT THE ALAMO. I'M TAKEN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. I'M GOOD. ANYONE. ANYONE. OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION PASSES. MR. WEINBERG, ANYTHING FOR ITEM D? SO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS.
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WE WILL LIKELY HAVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NEXT MONTH COMING TO PLANNING COMMISSION.OKAY. RELATIVE TO DATA CENTERS, SPECIFICALLY [INAUDIBLE], WE DID CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT AN ACOUSTICAL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD SINCE THE LAST DATA CENTER CAME THROUGH AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS RAISED.
SO, OKAY, SO THE MINOR AMENDMENTS THERE. OKAY.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THE SECTION. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU GOT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFORMATIONAL ITEMS. I JUST WANTED TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES IF THEY SEE THAT IF THERE WOULD BE ANY BENEFIT FOR US TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL. BECAUSE OF THE 6 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON HERE.
SEVEN THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MEET TOGETHER, TO LEARN WHAT THEIR OBJECTIVES ARE SO THAT WE HELP STEER THE TOWN AND WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE THE TOWN TO GO TO. TAKE THE TOWN DUE TO THEIR PURVIEW OF JURISDICTION.
SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF IF ANYBODY HAD ANY IDEAS ON IT OR THOUGHT YOU DID.
MR. BOWEN, I KNOW YOU WERE ONCE ON THE TOWN COUNCIL.
YEAH. MAYBE YOU GOT SOME IDEAS. WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THE IS IS THERE A PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT YOU THINK OR A NUMBER OF ISSUES YOU THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, OR IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TALKING TOGETHER AND FINDING OUT WHERE WE'RE AT.
IF THERE'S ANY BOTTLENECKS THAT WE'RE FACING, WE'RE LIKELY TO FACE.
I THINK IN TERMS OF I SUPPOSE I THINK ONE OF THEM IS AS THE SIGN CODE CAME OUT, I MEAN, THAT, YOU KNOW, A SIGN CODE TELLS A LOT ABOUT A TOWN AND, AND ITS VALUE AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK OF IT.
AND I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE REVISIT THE SIGN CODE? AND, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE'RE STILL GROWING AND LEARNING MORE YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, I THINK IF WE COULD COME UP WITH AN AGENDA OF SOME POINTS OF CONVERSATION.
I WASN'T HERE AT THE MEETING, BUT I DID HEAR IT.
SO THERE MAY BE A FEW ITEMS THAT WE COULD PUT ON AN AGENDA, AND IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO DO THAT.
AND I WOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT SO OFTEN WHEN WE LOOK AT PROJECTS, THERE'S A, THE CONDITIONS FOR THE MOST PART ARE GENERALLY THE SAME. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY COULD BE CODIFIED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT ALL THESE CONDITIONS ON, AND THEN WHATEVER CONDITIONS WE DO PUT ON ARE CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE SEEM TO HAVE THE SAME STANDARD 12, 15 OR 16 CONDITIONS ON ALL OF THOSE. AND IF THAT'S IN THE CODE, AT LEAST IT WILL HELP THE APPLICANT TO KNOW FURTHER AHEAD OF TIME WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST OR ANY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
I THINK IT COULD BE A GOOD IDEA OF. WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? COUNCIL. SO YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION DESIRES, I CAN GIVE THE TOWN MANAGER. AND WE CAN APPROACH THAT SUBJECT WITH THE COUNCIL.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. NO, BUT BUT TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING I WILL SAY IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, I'VE HAD JOINT MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S NEW MEMBERS OR.
APPOINTED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF COUNCIL POLICIES, PHILOSOPHIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE ARE DISCUSSED. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION SEES.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT COUNCIL MAY NOT SEE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND CHAIR, VICE
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CHAIR, WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER DID IT WHILE YOU WERE ON THE COUNCIL.I DON'T REMEMBER COMMISSIONER BOWEN SO IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHILE, BUT AT SOME POINT DURING MY 21 YEARS HERE, WE HAVE DONE JOINT COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER DONE. KIND OF HAVEN'T DONE ONE IN A WHILE.
UNDER THE OLD MAYOR FORMAT. [INAUDIBLE] MAYOR OWEN, I MET WITH HIM EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT. SO. TO THE VFW.
THE VFW. NO, BUT HE WAS A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
WHY DID YOU PASS THIS? GOOD IDEA. GOOD IDEA. OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? LET ME ADD PERHAPS THOSE THAT HAVE THINGS THAT WOULD WANT TO BE PUT ON AGENDA.
IF WE SEND THEM TO LAURA AND THEN SHE CAN DISCUSS THEM WITH BRETT AND ON TO THE TOWN MANAGER, WHATEVER. BUT AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
AND IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD SOME THOUGHTS. AND I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, IF YOU DO SEND SOMETHING TO LAURA, DON'T COPY EACH OTHER. YES. FOR OPEN MEETING REASON, YOU WOULD JUST SEND IT TO LAURA? MAYBE. BRETT, MATT. YOU KNOW, JUST STAFF DON'T SEND IT TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. GOOD IDEA. OKAY. MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO MOVED. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ABSTAINED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE DIDN'T HAVE A. OKAY. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.